HT - please lower the eny threshold

[Simaril]

I honestly dont care about who wins a given war, just so I can have some fun. But lately, mega sized imbalances have made that tough in the mornings, and even worse the hordes have been armed with unlimited planesets.

This morning there were 67 rooks, about 35 bish, and 12 knights at one point. I'm sure many just logged off, but those of us who wanted to play had to either avoid the enemy and nibble at the edges of the horde, or fight away and get swarmed like a lollipop at a yellowjacket convention.

I didnt mind being so popular to the red guys, and I didnt mind dying a lot. But it got annoying to see that there was not a single high ENY plane in the sky....the entire swarm was niks and ponies.



The lower limit to ENY effect came about because with low numbers the high side would get severe penalties for relatively small numerical advantages. But I think that turning ENY off completely may ahve gone too far...especially since the side imbalances have seemed far more stable this year, with very little trading of the top and bottom spots.

HT, I'd ask you to consider enabling ENY for lower total numbers, but with... lets call it significant dead zone and more dampening than is used for ENY in general. The dead zone would ignore fluctuations in relative ratios when the absolute numerical difference was unimportant, and the dampening would prevent the high side from being stuck in 109Es and goons.

But -- leaving things as they are puts a heavy burden on the low side in AM (est), and that gets old fast.

There needs to be SOME kind of handicap for utterly overwhelming numbers, or frustrated "deserters" from the low sides will sabotage the natural oscillation in side balance that has always been there before.

In fact, I wonder if thats why the advantage hasnt alternated as much this year.

Simaril

[Bruv119]

Totally agree Sim.

Whilst flying knights in GMT times this was always the case around  9am to 12 midday.   Around these times USA goes to sleep and the Aussie/Euro/Japanese takeover.

Maybe Knights just dont have the same amount of non USA players which may balance out in the future.

Personally I would like to see ENY restrictions at all times so gameplay can be more fair for the team that gets picked on.  (I'm sure Dastardly will have something to say about this!)

Having fights in earlier war planes is more fun in my opinion so all round people will have to learn how to fly something else than an LA7, spit 16, niki etc and actually learn some ACM's in planes they are not used to.  Hopefully this will increase the overall skill level and proper dogfights will become more commonplace.


Bruv
~S~

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Simaril
and the dampening would prevent the high side from being stuck in 109Es and goons.

Well if they force the numbers so high, I say "Make 'em use the 109E and the goon only! 50,000 109Es are still going to slaughter 100 P51s and N1K2s!" Just make 'em work harder for it.

[straffo]

I think eny limiter should be based on sector not on the whole arena.

It will reduce the "horde" effect.

[AKWarp]

I think the ENY restriction thing is a PIA in general.  If it worked it would be one thing, but when you only have 10 more players than one side and you get restricted, what the heck?  

I can see issues with the day time balance as mentioned, but during the evening prime time, the ENY restrictions are usually not necessary.

[Krusty]

I disagree. Chances are if you're getting even 5 ENY limit it means that you outnumber a team by a LOT. Knights have been outnumbered by 100 players before and only one team had an ENY limit of 3 or 4 (barely enough to anything!).

If you "only had 10" chances are you only had 10 over the next highest team, and the third team (usually Knight) was outnumbered by 50%, and chances are that (in this case) both the big teams were gang banging the small team (again, usually Knights).

I don't think it kicks in early enough to do anything.

Straffo doing it by sector doesn't matter, because usually the horde is scattered along 2 fronts and across many many sectors, but still just as effective.

[Major Biggles]

got my vote.

knights were outnumbered 6 to 1 or something rediculous like that the other day, but because the numbers were around 150 overall, no eny limiter, the result, knights trashed again and again. lowering the eny kick-in to 75 or something would be cool

[Bronk]

IMHO

ENY should work on a % of total numbers on.   What that % is not for me to decide.

 When your side reaches say 40% of total numbers it starts kicking in.

Bronk

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by Bronk
IMHO

ENY should work on a % of total numbers on.   What that % is not for me to decide.

 When your side reaches say 40% of total numbers it starts kicking in.

Bronk

it does that already, but the limiter doesnt kick in until there are 200 people in the arena. i think move the limiter start to 75, or get rid of it entirely

[Bronk]

That's just it Biggles I want it to kick in regardless of total numbers.



Bronk

[Casper1]

agreed.  whether i am the beater or the beatee, the ENY should be in effect with any number of total players.

[Krusty]

Not so. What if there are only 10 folks on? 4 on one team and 2 on each other team? At 200% of the other teams, that first team would have no planes allowed, basically.

There must be a minimum number of players before the ENY limit kicks in. Otherwise it doesn't work. I think we all just want the limit to kick in much sooner.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Krusty
Not so. What if there are only 10 folks on? 4 on one team and 2 on each other team? At 200% of the other teams, that first team would have no planes allowed, basically.

There must be a minimum number of players before the ENY limit kicks in. Otherwise it doesn't work. I think we all just want the limit to kick in much sooner.

Erm thats 8 people there krusty.

But with that 8 number lets say it went like this 4,3,1. Still dont want that eny to kick in?
How about 3,3,2. That isnt much better.

Edit: Becides that the eny is just starting to kick in. They would only be denied low eny AC. Ohh no have to take a la5 instead of my la7...booo hooo.

[SlapShot]

The "total" amount was lower and generated a fury of whines ... soooo HT upped the number to what it is now.

I doubt very strongly that it will change.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Bronk
But with that 8 number lets say it went like this 4,3,1. Still dont want that eny to kick in?

Actually, no, I wouldn't want that ENY to kick in. The terrain files (especially if they're the big maps) are so large that there endless opportunity for that "1" to up anywhere he wants and have free open space. At some point, however, there is no more open space and anywhere you go is gang bang country (TM).

So at low number you don't need the ENY limitations, because you have other options. Once those options are gone, you need the limit.