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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2006, 08:12:18 AM »
I kinda like the fact that the world is seeing the terrorists for what they are and...

That they are all showing up in iraq and lining up to be martyrs.

Some people just figure that we have to wipe em out and others feel that if we are really really nice to em.... they will leave us alone.

The envy and the hate of our civilization will just somehow go away.

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2006, 08:17:35 AM »
Fight em there... ..or fight em here.

No brainer.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2006, 08:23:22 AM »
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Bush didn't create more terrorists he just showed them to the world. They were infesting countries for years but no one wanted offend them by pointing them out.


The other way around: Bush showed the rest of the world that the USA is an aggressor and therefore a threat that needs to be countered or at least be wary of. That's how they (probable terrorists) and the less friendly governments sees it.

Which again leads to the point that the amount of terrorists/rebels/freedom fighters/whatever has increased as a result of the increased threat to the middle east population.

Similar reaction occured also in the states - more people were drafted after the 911. Are you seriously claiming that a would be enemy doesn't react the same way to an increased threat?

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2006, 08:25:10 AM »
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Fight em there... ..or fight em here.
 

Agreed, but take the damn gloves off and forget what the news-anchors will say, they'll say it no matter how you prosecute the GWOT anyhow.

Can you imagine Dan Rather speaking while showing video of the aftermath of D-Day, or the dismembered children of Dresden, or the charred ones in Tokyo?

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I'll accept that the US is an agressor nation, but we are only agressive towards those nations that support international terorist organizations. Stop funding/arming/training/exporting terrorists and all we want to do to you is sell Levis and Coca Cola to you, so that we can buy Sony and Toyota products from the Japanese or happymeal toys from the Chinese.

"Freedom fighters" and "insurgents" would be combatting the invaders/occupiers right? Then why are the blowing themselves up in marketplaces, schoolyards, and employment lines? Make no mistake; the main target of the terrorists in Iraq are the civilians in Iraq. They can win by having the populace more afraid of them than they are of us. We hand out chocolate bars they sever heads. Their will to win is obviously greater than ours and the average Iraqi on the street knows this.

There is no draft in the US, has not been for over 30 years, did you hear that on Pravda?
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2006, 08:25:17 AM »
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Similar reaction occured also in the states - more people were drafted after the 911. Are you seriously claiming that a would be enemy doesn't react the same way to an increased threat?


We haven't had a draft.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2006, 08:43:38 AM »
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GW created more terrorists than he destroyed. fact.

Is pulling back a panel of sheetrock and exposing all the cockroaches that are breeding/living in the wall creating more roaches? Gimme a break!

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2006, 09:29:35 AM »
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We haven't had a draft.


Whatever you call it when people enlists. That's what I meant, but of course that didn't cross someones mind when given a chance to mock.

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2006, 09:51:35 AM »
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I'll accept that the US is an agressor nation, but we are only agressive towards those nations that support international terorist organizations. Stop funding/arming/training/exporting terrorists and all we want to do to you is sell Levis and Coca Cola to you, so that we can buy Sony and Toyota products from the Japanese or happymeal toys from the Chinese.


It's not quite that simple. You're thinking it simply from your point of view, with your cultural background and your way of thinking. The western way of thinking. To them we're nothing but aggressors with empty promises. Whether the terrorist, or whatever people likes to call them, right or wrong, it doesn't matter to the people, because they are part of the people down there in the middle east. There's a much bigger threat against them all - the west - which they see as a threat or an aggressor.

What has the west brought to the people in the middle east; Wealth? Jobs? Pleasure? Luxury?
The west has brought them nothing of those. Instead, on the daily news they're every day hearing about people having it bad in several different places in the middle east and all of those have one common factor: The western influence.

To them it's similar situation as the communism was for the west. It has little to do with what the west really wants, when the people down there hears nothing but bad whenever it's about the west and the middle east. We can tell them all we want about the human rights and the benefits of democracy, but we haven't done any of it, on the contrary. To them our talk of freedom etc. is same as their promises of peace etc. to us - empty words. People reacts to acts, not to words of promises one after another.

People react to these acts. Bad acts cause bad things and vice-versa. We can criticize their reactions all we wan't, but that doesn't help if we keep doing something that creates the response. Exageration and ignorance most definitely won't help with the issue. We're not going to get rid of them, so why are we trying to make our situation even worse? Let them be the fools instead. Eventually the people down there will question the support for their terrorists. That just doesn't happen if we don't question our ignorance on the results of our actions first.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2006, 09:56:48 AM »
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Whatever you call it when people enlists. That's what I meant, but of course that didn't cross someones mind when given a chance to mock.


Every time some troops are recalled, pundits start screaming about backdoor drafts... even though it's in the military terms of service contract.

It's only mocking if you make the choice to feel insulted. Otherwise, it's just somebody pointing out a problem with your assertion. You can either use the edit button, or sit indignantly, claim you're being insulted, and expect everybody else to be psychic and automatically know what you meant. If anything, I'm helping you with your own arguement, and it's not even something I particularly believe.

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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2006, 10:48:51 AM »
I am still amazed how bush was able to setup the whole 9/11 thing in under 9 months in office so that his war monger/oil baron friends would have a means to brainwash the patriots into giving him permission to invade Iraq .. amazing
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2006, 10:52:04 AM »
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Is pulling back a panel of sheetrock and exposing all the cockroaches that are breeding/living in the wall creating more roaches? Gimme a break!

You don't even have to pull back the sheetrock, here in this country all you have to do is wait for an election year, the cockroaches all come out on their own!

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2006, 11:00:19 AM »
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Were'nt the majority of the young men that ran amuck in the Paris riots of middle eastern decent? I'm sure they have refrigeraters, and tivo.


This is why none of them was brainwashed and desperate enough to go kamikaze : they just broke windows and stole big screen tvs to enjoy the world cup matches in HD... much easier to handle, Katrina style...

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2006, 03:39:22 PM »
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This is why none of them was brainwashed and desperate enough to go kamikaze : they just broke windows and stole big screen tvs to enjoy the world cup matches in HD... much easier to handle, Katrina style...


Katrina style? A hurricane didn't hit France. These guys bit the hand that fed them because they felt they were not getting fed enough. Tell the family of the defensless old woman they set on fire that they just wanted to watch the world cup in HD. Your theory of giving them gifts so they'll leave you alone is a loser. FACT.:aok

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2006, 04:02:11 PM »
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*snipped*The US Military is not a police force and should not be used in peacekeeping actions,  I thought we'd learned that lesson last century. Their job is to kill their enemies and blow watermelon up, not patrol city streets and search homes for contraband.  

Get our boys out if you wont let them win I say.

My feelings exactly. The US Military is, and always should be, an instrument of death and destruction. People should see a US Soldier and think to themselves "that's Death itself walking right there. I better not mess with that."
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2006, 04:15:42 PM »
Also note that while US is in a muck right now China is on a "Peacefull Rise". The Chinese are making friends with countries that western powers see as threat.  Their influence is spreading in Latin America and Africa:noid