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For the first time in GWB's term history...
« on: August 24, 2006, 12:19:41 AM »
Bush shows pessimism on Iraq
President shifts tone as he makes case for U.S. policy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14473431/

Every American, everyone in the world already told Boosh that Invading Iraq is a bad Idea from the start.  I guess his admin has not read the history of England's fiasco of trying to police Iraq in the first quarter of 20th century...
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2006, 01:36:20 AM »
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Everyone American, everyone in the world already told Boosh that Invading Iraq is a bad Idea from the start.  I guess his admin has not read the history of England's fiasco of trying to police Iraq in the first quarter of 20th century...


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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 02:24:11 AM »
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Every American, everyone in the world already told Boosh that Invading Iraq is a bad Idea from the start.


These Senators did not say that in 2002...

Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2006, 02:26:45 AM »
GW created more terrorists than he destroyed. fact.

look at what hisbollah HisBolloCks is doing : handing over wads of cash to people : now that's an idea : buy them all fridges 'n SUVs and tivo and see if they're still willing to blow themselves up...

Cheaper to buy them off in the long run. not so profitable for halliburton maybe...

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 02:48:14 AM »
Our military needs to get better at counter-insurgency.  

In reality, what does the average grunt know about counter-insurgency?  99% of the soldiers can't speak arabic, how are they going to build relationships and communicate with the locals?

The best book I've read on counter-insurgency is one called "Lost in translation".  You have to have the support of the local population, they are the ones who tell you when movements are going on, where booby-traps and IEDs are, and other vital information.  But if the local pop is afraid, if they suffer retaliation because they give you intel, then you have lost.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 02:48:16 AM »
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These Senators did not say that in 2002...


Of course because they were given fabricated intelligence report and they all nod unease

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2006, 02:52:26 AM »
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Of course because they were given fabricated intelligence report and they all nod unease


Either GWB is a machevellian mastermind or a dumbs***... you can't have it both ways.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2006, 02:52:34 AM »
Arabic btw is complex.  Like the English language, every Arab country has its own dialect.  Iran is the only exception, they use Farsi.

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 07:02:07 AM »
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GW created more terrorists than he destroyed. fact.

look at what hisbollah HisBolloCks is doing : handing over wads of cash to people : now that's an idea : buy them all fridges 'n SUVs and tivo and see if they're still willing to blow themselves up...

Cheaper to buy them off in the long run. not so profitable for halliburton maybe...


LOL GWB  created more terrorist is a fact huh?

Were'nt the majority of the young men that ran amuck in the Paris riots of middle eastern decent? I'm sure they have refrigeraters, and tivo.
How'd that work out?
 Maybe you should just offer them the rest of your country. Oh yeah, don't forget to get on your knees and tilt your head back. Why fight the beheading.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2006, 07:14:28 AM »
Invading Iraq was not the big mistake the detractors of GWB want to beleive it was. Dubya's mistakes were all made after the "war" (war being a conflict between two armies) was over, the mistakes were all made during the "peace" (peace being the period after one of the armies is vanquished). The US Military is not a police force and should not be used in peacekeeping actions,  I thought we'd learned that lesson last century. Their job is to kill their enemies and blow watermelon up, not patrol city streets and search homes for contraband.  

I can almost agree with the "there's more terrorists now than there were before" concept that so many lefties espouse. The problem I have with that argument is twofold:
1.) I do not beleive that a person straps on a bomb-belt who was once a peaceloving civilian. People with that mindset were not made that way by the POTUS or his foreign policy.
2.) We've only killed tens of thousands of them, we've got about a million more to go. Then one can truly say there are fewer than when we started. Which of course points back to the first paragraph. We do not seem willing to pay any price or even use all the tools we have to actually WIN this thing, too worried about PC or PR.

Get our boys out if you wont let them win I say.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2006, 07:22:02 AM »
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GW created more terrorists than he destroyed. fact

 

Bush didn't create more terrorists he just showed them to the world. They were infesting countries for years but no one wanted offend them by pointing them out.

9/11 changed that and Bush started pointing them out to the horror of all those countries that would rather ignore them and hope they never attacked them.

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Cheaper to buy them off in the long run. not so profitable for halliburton maybe...


Cheaper? Paying off people only makes them want more. Look at North Korea.

They were paid off by Clinton so they wouldn't build nukes and guess what? They did it anyway and are now looking for more handouts.

Iran is trying to get nukes so they can demand more like NK.

Paying off only works for the short term at best.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2006, 07:34:13 AM »
^^^I like this Mightytboy^^^
could not have stated it better myself
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2006, 07:49:02 AM »
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Of course because they were given fabricated intelligence report and they all nod unease


so you arre saying that Clinton was being given fabricated intel reports too??

You must be. Because the same people were giving the same intel to Clinton.
That was also giving the same intel to Bush and the senators.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.



"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs"  ." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destrution and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

Bush did a pretty neat trick. Managing to fabricate intel reports BEFORE he was ever elected.

Not bad for an idiot
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2006, 07:51:01 AM »
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GW created more terrorists than he destroyed. fact.




you mean "opinion"

Lets see your sources to prove this so called "fact"
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2006, 07:58:55 AM »
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Bush didn't create more terrorists he just showed them to the world. They were infesting countries for years but no one wanted offend them by pointing them out.

9/11 changed that and Bush started pointing them out to the horror of all those countries that would rather ignore them and hope they never attacked them.



Cheaper? Paying off people only makes them want more. Look at North Korea.

They were paid off by Clinton so they wouldn't build nukes and guess what? They did it anyway and are now looking for more handouts.

Iran is trying to get nukes so they can demand more like NK.

Paying off only works for the short term at best.



Well said