Author Topic: legalize all drugs... (Read 2000 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #60 on:** August 27, 2006, 10:24:27 PM »

Damn straight, Lasz.

Decriminalize all of it. What a person does to their own body should not be a concern of the government.

Hell... I'm for taking it even further. Decriminalize ALL consensual crimes.

Shuckins · « **Reply #61 on:** August 27, 2006, 10:37:09 PM »

And at the same time the laws can be changed so that health problems related to drug abuse quadruples their insurance premiums and also makes them ineligible for Medicare.

Why should the rest of society pay for the consequences of their irresponsible actions?

Sandman · « **Reply #62 on:** August 27, 2006, 10:54:09 PM »

We're already paying.

The prison business in this country is booming.

Shuckins · « **Reply #63 on:** August 27, 2006, 11:03:59 PM »

Prison doesn't generate anywhere near as much revenue as does the treatment of drug problems by the health care industry.

Sandman · « **Reply #64 on:** August 27, 2006, 11:27:08 PM »

According to DOJ 2001 figures, we spent $25,000 per inmate per year in California. It's over $4 Billion annually. For the U.S. it's close to $30 Billion per year.

Dago · « **Reply #65 on:** August 28, 2006, 12:01:54 AM »

So many crazy arguments, so little facts.

Don't give me your "if I remember right", or "this is what happened" if you really dont know.

Slippery damn slope you guys are talking about.

Hard drugs in Amsterdam? Hell yes. I have never seen an open crack deal myself in the US, but I have in Amsterdam.

Prohibition made alcohol consumption rise? I doubt it. Would love to see proof.

Delirium · « **Reply #66 on:** August 28, 2006, 02:07:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Prohibition made alcohol consumption rise?

I never posted that alcohol consumption rose during Prohibition, but crime sure did.

As in the past and current day, illegal substances fuel crime and in particular criminal organizations.

Heater · « **Reply #67 on:** August 28, 2006, 04:29:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
I love touring Amsterdam where the burnouts are constantly bugging your for money. I love seeing the wasted lives due to easily available drugs.

Do you think there is no crime since drugs are so easy to get? Do you think drug addicts are differant there? Do you think they don't steal there to feed an addiction? If you think any of that is the case, you are mistaken.

Agree.... but you need get out of the red light district

The the junkies are still there and the petty theft etc...is still around, but what is has done as cut down on the millions spent on the arrest of the casual user etc.... is it a good way to go ... not really as the government now spend more of free drugs for the junkies etc... so in reality legal drugs just f**k up the system even more than it already was.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #68 on:** August 28, 2006, 04:55:13 AM »

Amsterdam is mad, why would you be a drug addict when you can go into a newsagent and buy a picture of a horse screwing a fat girl, get knocked over buy a tram/bike/boat, eat fantastic food and drink good beer, smoke a little fine grass in the park and then find something to make you laugh like a maniac till its time to go to bed....every day... wuuhhhooo!

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 28, 2006, 08:39:59 AM »

mini... thought I did answer your question. My car did not get broken into. It was an example. the neighbor did have his broke into to get the stereo and they did a couple thou damage to do it.

You are a smart guy.. how much crime do you think revolves around a product with a 100-5000% profit margin? How many will kill for that kind of money? what do you think is the main source of money fueling the cartels in other countries and the gangs in America?

Why would someone risk breaking into a car to get money for drugs that would cost the same as a big gulp slurpy?

Are you not aware that many people have criminal records for nothing more than the consumption of illegal drugs? You are aware that convictions and prison time limit employment opprortunities right?

A junkie could work a few hours a day for a landscaper and make enough to support his habit. How is that worse?

And dago... if you don't see it then it is not happening? Amsterdam has it wrong... Why would there be dealers on the street if you could just go to a drug store and get brand name products for cheap?

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #70 on:** August 28, 2006, 08:42:13 AM »

And sandie... an adult should be able to do whatever he wants with his own body... At least in any case I can think of offhand. This would include suicide but not "assisted" suicide say.

lazs

lukster · « **Reply #71 on:** August 28, 2006, 08:51:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Damn straight, Lasz.

Decriminalize all of it. What a person does to their own body should not be a concern of the government.

Hell... I'm for taking it even further. Decriminalize ALL consensual crimes.

If you take that approach then it's only logical that you get the government out of health care altogether. No regulation of any type of drug or government supported medical care for anyone. Let's not do this desocialization half assed.

mora · « **Reply #72 on:** August 28, 2006, 09:29:50 AM »

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You sound like the guy watching kiddie porn... "I didn't film it, I can quit anytime I want, it doesn't mean I touch kids or ever will".

This is getting ridiculous. You really don't see the difference?

Sandman · « **Reply #73 on:** August 28, 2006, 09:46:36 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
If you take that approach then it's only logical that you get the government out of health care altogether. No regulation of any type of drug or government supported medical care for anyone. Let's not do this desocialization half assed.

I fail to see the logic.

FiLtH · « **Reply #74 on:** August 28, 2006, 09:46:38 AM »

The thing is this. The war on drugs is such an industry on both sides that if legalized, whats to become of all the extra police,atf etc that are currently fighting it? Whats to become of the junkies selling it?

If you experience burglary now...imagine when drugs are legalized and the guy getting by today selling weed or crack, ends up "out of a job" and is breaking into your house to steal your tv for food money. I guess the extra cops would still have a job