F6F Vs. F4U

[Debonair]

do the numbers change a lot if you include korean war F4U carrier stats?

[Scherf]

Opens deck chair, pulls beer out of cooler.

[bkbandit]

alot of data thrown around, ALOT of data, and to tell u the truth i havent even read it(havent had time to). But would any of that data be enough to change the duriability or accel for either of these planes? How about speed, all the f4us should be clocking 400mph+ without killing the wep or waiting 20 years to get there(and i shouldnt have to go nose low either). A simple yes or no would be the best answer for this one. Im not a stat freak(other then k/d i dont pay no mind to them) i just read some,watch tv, play, and post what i see.

F4U with its horrible accel has kinda phased it self out of my line up. Now i fly only 3 planes, F6F(doesnt matter if im off a cv or not, i use it in the middle of the map), P51, and the P47 for ground attack. If hellcat was faster and had better hi alt speed i might consider it over the P51. Hellcat rocks, very simple. From time to time i will fly the perked f4u4 but im kinda of dissapointed, other then the roll rate and the air brakes it has nothin on the p51(51s great views makes up for f4us extra ammo).

this threads score

1 F6F
0 F4U

if i love blue planes let us now. IMO the most dangerous planes come off of the carrier deck.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by F4UDOA
That's pretty compelling stuff from a retired Stewardess there Ace...

I only have these three handy, but there's more, I have all my records... Recieved two qual certs on same day (Flight Engineer) down in GTMO and the third about 10 months later aboard Saratoga (Crew Chief).







Still waiting for your qualifications... I'll put those arrows up again.

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My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

Originally posted by bkbandit
From time to time i will fly the perked f4u4 but im kinda of dissapointed, other then the roll rate and the air brakes it has nothin on the p51(51s great views makes up for f4us extra ammo).
 

You're kidding, I hope.

The F4U-4 is superior to the P-51 in every respect except range.. Faster, much better climb, will turn circles around a Mustang and has much better acceleration. Equal pilots in a Co-E, Co-alt meeting between the P-51 and the F4U-4.... The P-51 loses every time.

In the game, the best fighter, bar none, is the F4U-4. If it had Hispanos (F4U-4B), it would cost 100 perks.

My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Debonair
do the numbers change a lot if you include korean war F4U carrier stats?

No.. Very few Communist fighters were shot down by prop driven fighters. Some Yak-9Ps, a couple of old Yak-7s and a few La-9s... F4Us, P-51s and P-82s got most of these. Probably less than 30 in total. MiGs were claimed by an F4U-4B, an AD-2 and a Royal Navy Sea Fury. The F4U killed one MiG, but was shot down by another.

Korea was a different ball game than WWII. Prop fighters were the primary close-support aircraft for the first year and a half. Moreover, the NK and Chinese had large amounts of 23mm and 57mm tripleA guns in combat units. Losses were very heavy among the WWII vintage fighter-bombers. The Mustangs were especially vulnerable. Yet, there were about 300 P-47s flying in reserve and air guard units in CONUS. Why the Jugs were never sent to Japan in 1950 is a puzzle.

My regards,

Widewing

[bkbandit]

when i fly p51 and f4u i dont comitte to tight circles, that goes double for f4u, i only will go if i noe i have him and im all alone so i can recover me e. I have read about it and the descriptions i get make it feel like it should be alot better then our aces high verison. It all comes down to the pilot, i can go through many sceniors with the 2 and other then a type turn to the death or a rolling scissors i dont see many advantages. But it comes down to whos flyin it. would the fact that our little world of aces high doesnt have wind effect performance, i played in one room with it and f4u flew really strong and no matter which way i went pulled with the 2000 horse p&w, is this affecting it. When it fly the way it did there wasnt a doubt in my mind why historians(aswell as widewing) rav about corsair and are happy to tell people that it was the greatness.

1 f6f
0 f4u

[Scherf]

These bratwursts look about done - you want one Debonair?

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Widewing
The Mustangs were especially vulnerable. Yet, there were about 300 P-47s flying in reserve and air guard units in CONUS. Why the Jugs were never sent to Japan in 1950 is a puzzle.

This is something I've always wondered about, too.

- oldman

[Saxman]

The F4U-4 is nowhere NEAR as vulnerable when slow as the 1-series Hogs. Her acceleration doesn't lag significantly enough behind the other MA dragsters to put her at a serious disadvantage (I think she's only within a second or two of the top accelerators). She'll out-turn the La-7, out EVERYTHING the P-51, is superior to the Frank in top speed and rate of climb (and I THINK comes damn close to out-turning her, too).


The F4U-4s you've been killing have probably been flown by ho-tard rundweebs who needed a year to save up enough perks to give her a ride and thought they could fly it like a Spit.

[F4UDOA]

Still waiting for your qualifications... I'll put those arrows up again.

Exactly what "Qualification" are you asking for?

Were you a load master(cargo loader), flight engineer(flying crew chief). I was an Avionics Tech on C-141's, C-130's and C-5A's and even an L-1011 in a pinch in Rota Spain. Hell, I was USAIR Gold memeber for years, thats a bunch miles and I sat in the pilots seat as much as you did, what is your point?

You have never flown either aircraft and have no understanding of the physics of flight as far as I can tell. You use annecdotes whenever possible and discount basics facts like drag/lift coefficients and wing area, Horsepower etc.

I'll send that arrow back to you and you know what you can do with it?

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[Debonair]

Originally posted by Scherf
These bratwursts look about done - you want one Debonair?

no idea what you mean, was just wondering if my Queen of the Midnight Skies tops them all with it's unreal combat ratio as i've been lead to believe...as for the F4U-4b or c, i remember a small controversy over if they were even in 2nd world war combat or not, but dont remember the results...

[Widewing]

Originally posted by F4UDOA
Exactly what "Qualification" are you asking for?

Hell, I was USAIR Gold memeber for years, thats a bunch miles and I sat in the pilots seat as much as you did, what is your point?
 

LOLOLOLOL  USAir gold member... LOLOLOL You're killin' me Ace, you're killin' me.

My uncle rode a bus for 30 years... that didn't give him the insight of  Parnelli Jones or Jackie Stewart.

My point is this, you repeatedly criticize and ridicule Corky Meyer, whose credentials are among the most impressive of any involved in American aviation in the past 60 years. Is his memory absolutely perfect? No, but he has memories of these events, something you do not have. You have to rely on someone else's work, he doesn't. He was the primary development test pilot for the F6F-5, F7F, F8F, F9F and F-11. No one in aviation knows more about these aircraft, having nursed them from infancy to maturity. Yet, you dismiss him as if he's just some old bumbling fool. You question his honesty, saying that he was a career Gurmman employee. That just reeks of self-importance. And when asked what credentials you hold to be in a position to judge Meyer's work, you point to being a USAir gold club member.... God have mercy!

As for me, I earned my wings the old fashioned way...I flew 8 to 10 hours a day, seven days a week. I studied the NATOPS until it was memorized. I passed a NATOPS review board, written test and a NATOPS check ride, and I did that on 5 different types of aircraft. 332 traps, 12 of them in one day, 9 the next (qualifying seven pilots). 17 of the 332 in the right seat... About 240 hours in the right seat of the C-1A, just over 20 in the backseat of TA-4Js and a joyride in the RIO seat of an F-4J with VF-103.

As to understanding flight physics. Yeah, I'm an idiot. The Senior Project Engineer for a firm that has hardware on just about every major weapons system in the US arsenal. From JDAM to GMLARS to Excalibre to Hellfire, all of these are useless if my hardware doesn't work. But then again, I'm an idiot and could be wrong.....

My regards,

Widewing

[Debonair]

Originally posted by Scherf
These bratwursts look about done - you want one Debonair?

no idea what you mean, was just wondering if my Queen of the Midnight Skies tops them all with it's unreal combat ratio as i've been lead to believe...as for the F4U-4b or c, i remember a small controversy over if they were even in 2nd world war combat or not, but dont remember the results...but yeah, i'd like a brat

[F4UDOA]

that didn't give him the insight of Parnelli Jones or Jackie Stewart

OMFG!!!!

Now you are comparing yourself to Jackie Stewart!!!! You are such an ego maniac. Do you realize how out of touch you are? Are you typing from a rocking chair?

Forget about Parnelli Jones, you are closer to Smarty Jones, the back half you pompus rump.

Go ahead and explain to me again how an aircraft with the same HP, engine and prop is as fast as another one with higher drag Coefficient, larger wings, larger cowl and larger tail section with a cockpit that sits up higher than a double decker bus.

Oh yeah, every piece of documentation in history says it's not except Grumman. I bet you can't even begin to try Mr.NATOPS.

I think you owe the Government a pile of money you stole.

Oh yeah, can you get me some coffee stewardess:rofl