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Offline AWMac

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2006, 03:18:18 PM »
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Fat women and family incest






Only in Tennessee


Thought incest in Tennesse was when the ugly 12 year old Sister couldn't out run her older step-Brother?

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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2006, 03:19:36 PM »
Or mayber the brother couldnt outrun his ugly 12 year old sister
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2006, 04:20:15 PM »
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Yes, they are physically sick, but much, of not a majority of their problems also stem from a non-willingness to enforce self-discipline. When this turns into a pattern of behavior, and they end up on the industrial scales, the family members are, in effect, turned into semi-consenting prisoners, forced to rearrange their lives around the maintenance of their unfortunate relatives.

Why, I ask, do are they liable for neglect? Why isn't the quarter-ton woman liable for self-neglect, or even the other way around, for tacit abuse of her husband and daughter? Why is it that because of her condition, she becomes the centerpiece of this family, while the functioning, healthy members are relegated to the function of human zoo-keepers?



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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2006, 07:15:19 PM »
Sorry Grayeagle, but I think that is a dump truck full of rationalization. If you are 310 lbs you should not be eating any pizza or drinking anything except water. Anyone can get fat if they eat crap food and drink any kind of soft drink, "diet" soft drinks included, and don't get some exercise.

I got up to 210 lbs in my mid forties and could easily be 310 lbs. today if I didn't change my eating habits and drop 30 lbs. The more you gain the harder it is to lose, but it never happens overnight.

Bad eating habits and eating/drinking large volumes of crap is a behavior problem compounded by the marketing influence and deceptive practices of the food industry.
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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2006, 07:58:18 PM »
Ive got a friend of mine whose got to be close to 400 pounds.  Doesnt wanna do gastric, he went to a support group and heard a lot of folks wishing they hadnt.  

He wont exercise and when he's finally told he HAS to do something, his legs develop ulcers and swell with fluid.  So now he's on this vicious cycle of he cant do anything til the legs are dealt with.  Then when they are, he has ample excuses to not to anything.  Walk, riding bike, etc.  He's a darn Mr Know it all in that regard.

I just cant seem to convince him he needs to do something.  He agrees, as does his Dr, they he has a lot of serious health issues cuz of his size.  But its his choice to do stuff about it.

All I, his other friends and family can do is try to be supportive.  And do the best we can to bite our tongues  :)

Its just frustrating to watch someone destroy themselves like that.

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2006, 08:34:54 PM »
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Personally, I think the bulk of the blame lies with her.  


I had a patient once, a 36 year old woman, who decided to take her insulin one night and go to sleep without eating dinner because she wasn't feeling well and didn't want to eat.

In the morning, one of her young children tried to wake her up, and when the kid couldn't, he called 911. To make a long story short, they were able to revive her but she had so much brain damage from having such a low blood sugar for so long that she (to be as basic as possible) turned into a 6 month old child in an adult's body. She will never get any better, she will never talk again; there is brain activity so she will be a ward of the state indefinitely.

If someone was to take advantage of her, would you still blame the victim? It does not matter if you agree how she came to that state, Neubob, you need to deal with the present and how it impacts the ill person.

Like I said, in the case of the 500lb woman, her family failed her, her medical team failed her, and she also failed herself but you cannot blame her for her lack of care.

So, if someone is in need of care for drug abuse you can ignore them because they sacrificed their rights?
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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2006, 12:23:22 AM »
is the family obligated to care for an adult?
he walks out on her he goes to jail?
Daughter chooses to go to school instead of whiping the hippos but for her and she goes to jail?
How can one person become the slave to anothers problems?
We can choose to but certainly an adult is obligated to care for themselves?

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2006, 07:17:06 AM »
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We can choose to but certainly an adult is obligated to care for themselves?


I'll bet they not only agreed to care for her and the 'mentally challenged' son (which this article didn't even mention) but I'll also bet they only agreed to this to be able to receive money that was given to the obese woman by the State. Otherwise, how can the police arrest them on neglect charges? This is obviously the case, otherwise an arrest would not of been considered.

Hey, I agree with you... her case worker should of removed her long ago and placed her in a nursing home for the single purpose of having her lose weight and become functional again.
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2006, 07:25:34 AM »
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So, if someone is in need of care for drug abuse you can ignore them because they sacrificed their rights?


No, dammit, that was nowhere near what I said. For some reason, whenever I open my mouth on this topic, people get real touchy real fast, as if I'm being blasphemous.

I'm not saying that you discard these people, at all, I'm just asking why we don't ascribe more responsibility to them then we do to the rest of the world. Why is it when somebody malfunctions, either mentally of physically, it's immediately, predominantly, the fault of somebody else?

America's growing weight problem is not rooted in Americans' genetic predispositions to weight gain, or to pre-existing disease. If that were the case, we wouldn't be seeing a marked rise in average mass among the 2nd and 3rd generation Americans. It is a behavioral problem, by and large, with the causes pretty clear. Too many calories, too much sugar, too little physical exercise, and, apparently, too little accountability. This country loves its saturated fat, its cars and its litigation, and although peopel such as these are unfortunate, they are largely the products of all of these factors.

I'm very sorry about the lady you spoke of. I've seen the ravages of diabetes, as well as a number of other diseases, and it's no joke. My family itself has been hit heard by heart disease (my father being the closest relative to nearly die of it). The response? Discipline, care, sctrict adherence to doctor's orders and, yes, family support. I simply do not see this as being the default response of overweight Americans. In fact, the predominant response, I believe, is total oblivion in the face of what they fail to recognize is nothing short of a debilitating, deadly condition.