Author Topic: M1 garand owners (Read 910 times)

Modas · « **on:** September 01, 2006, 02:08:13 PM »

Hey Guys -

I've been pondering an M1 garand purchase for a couple of months now and was curious if anyone had a recommendation as to where I could pick one up.

I found a couple of places:

http://home.att.net/~ra-carbines/garand.html
http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm

and obviously I can get new direct from the springfield armory

The first site seems kinda pricey(?) for used M1's and the second site looks like the quality of the rifle could be a crapshoot. The springfield has new, lifetime warranty, in .308 and 30-06 for about $1500.

What route would you go? Any other places where I might be able to get one?

If you bought direct from springfield, would you go with the .308 or 30-06. My deer rifle is bolt 30-06, I really like the load, its just a little harsh after about 20 shots at the range (maybe I just have a soft shoulder). The 'ol man's .308 semi has what i would estimate half of the recoil, so a nicer load to shoot.

Thanks for the advice!

lazs2 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2006, 02:11:48 PM »

I have never seen anyone that has bought a CMP rifle that was dissapointed in the quality.

lazs

101ABN · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2006, 02:52:35 PM »

Ive purchased mine through CMP... beautiful rifle and you cant beat the price anywhere..

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2006, 02:55:03 PM »

CMP. Although I bought mine from an individual, and I'm happy with it, sometimes you take your chances. CMP you are guaranteed to get a good shooter.

I personally went for the .30-06 on mine, easier and cheaper to buy ready made, easy to find reloading supplies for in a wide range of options. Nothing wrong with the .308 though. Great round, maybe even superior to the .30-06 in ballistics.

MoeRon · « **Reply #4 on:** September 01, 2006, 04:30:54 PM »

CMP is the way to go, i've purchased three so far and love 'em all. If you ask them nicely they will even try and find you the manufacturer and year you like. My first was a 1942 Winchester second was a 1944 Springfield third was a 1950's Springfield National Match.

Blooz · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2006, 08:21:38 PM »

Mil-tech

I bought an M1 carbine from these guys.

Top notch.

red26 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2006, 08:46:47 PM »

Any one know where I could get a M-14 for a (good price) I would love get one for my pops.???

rogwar · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2006, 09:42:04 PM »

Modas,

Pick you up a slip on Limbsaver recoil pad...

They are nice and worth the money.

http://www.limbsaver.com/limbsaver/firearms/slipon.aspx

You can get a permanent mount if it's something you really like. The slip is as nearly as good. Just make sure it's the right size.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 02, 2006, 02:33:02 AM »

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Originally posted by red26
Any one know where I could get a M-14 for a (good price) I would love get one for my pops.???

Here's one thats had some mods done to it, scoped and such. Wants too much for it IMO, but eh.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=55320843

This one is nicer, costs more too, but you get alot more gun here for the money I think.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=55147585

Have to be careful with auctions, but this guy has all A+ transaction ratings so far. This one's way out of my price range, and seems a bit on the expensive side for others I've looked at, but this one is a nice gun.

lazs2 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 02, 2006, 10:23:55 AM »

sof... the 308 has about 10% inferior ballistics to the ought six. Not much to worry about tho since it is mostly in the heavier bullets that the ought six is superior and M1's don't like heavy bullets anyway.

lazs

Maverick · « **Reply #10 on:** September 02, 2006, 12:26:09 PM »

I can't comment on the sources you listed, sorry but I never used them. I got my Garand from a local store.

I like the '06 variety. I find there is no real reason to go to the .308 version now. The recoil on my 06 is very very mild. The weight of the rifle coupled with the mechanism really dampens the recoil for me, I was very surprised and pleased.

As to ballistics, the 06 is superior to the .308. The .308 was just the military's attempt to get the same performance from a slightly shorter round. Anything the .308 can do the 06 can do and with higher velocity. Using the same care in reloading, the 06 is just as accurate as the .308 is.

Dago · « **Reply #11 on:** September 02, 2006, 12:46:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
I can't comment on the sources you listed, sorry but I never used them. I got my Garand from a local store.

I like the '06 variety. I find there is no real reason to go to the .308 version now. The recoil on my 06 is very very mild. The weight of the rifle coupled with the mechanism really dampens the recoil for me, I was very surprised and pleased.

As to ballistics, the 06 is superior to the .308. The .308 was just the military's attempt to get the same performance from a slightly shorter round. Anything the .308 can do the 06 can do and with higher velocity. Using the same care in reloading, the 06 is just as accurate as the .308 is.

Not quite accurate. The .308 is proven to be more accurate. Much more so.

You can find that out from a lot of sources.

30-06 versus .308

Even the strongest 30-06 proponents hold short of saying the 30-06 is superior to the .308, they normally stop at saying the 30-06 can be handloaded to be equivalent to the .308. At longer ranges out past 400 yards, the .308 excels over the 30-06 hands down. Problem for the 30-06 rounds is to achieve anything close to equivalent accuracy at range, it must be loaded to a level that creats dangerous chamber pressures.

The 30-06 is an excellent round to be sure, but really has no advantages over the .308 for shooting. Best thing about the 30-06 is there may be more surplus still available for it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2006, 01:03:57 PM »

dago... you need to look at some balistic tables. In factory loadings the ought six is quite a bit more powerful.

Your accuracy article said that the M1 was more accurate than the 308 M14 until.... well..... until people quit doing any development work on the ought six and spent year trying to make the 308 work.

There isn't much difference but the ought six is better and more useable.

I don't know where you got the idea that the 308 is a more powerful round.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2006, 01:09:30 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
dago... you need to look at some balistic tables. In factory loadings the ought six is quite a bit more powerful.

Your accuracy article said that the M1 was more accurate than the 308 M14 until.... well..... until people quit doing any development work on the ought six and spent year trying to make the 308 work.

There isn't much difference but the ought six is better and more useable.

I don't know where you got the idea that the 308 is a more powerful round.

lazs

Can you prove the 30-06 is better and more useable in any way? I doubt it.

And I dont think I ever said the 308 is more powerful, please show me that.

lazs2 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2006, 01:24:12 PM »

I can prove that you are wrong and that the ought six is more powerful

Lets take a look at the Remington site for factory ammo ballistics for the most popular weight of bullets from both the ought six and 308 shall we?

for the 150 grain....

06.... 2910 mv and 2189 velocity at 300 yards

308....2820 mv and 2009 velocity at 300 yards

for 168 grain....

06... 2800 mv and 2404 at 300 yards

308... 2680 mv and 2143 at 300 yards

For 180 grain bullets....

06....2725 mv and 2188 at 300 yards

308... 2620 mv and 1666 at 300 yards!!!!

about 100 fps advantage or more in every weight and range for the

TADA.... OUGHT SIX

What about bullet drop? the ought six drops from 2.0 to 2.3 inches at 300 yards with every weight above while the 308 is from 3.9 all the way to 5.3 inches drop in the weights above.