Low lvl buff

[stephen]

Lot of people being dramatic about our use of buffs as low alt carpet bombers....so be it, but id like to add a couple ideas to make them even MORE affective in that role,,

#1 Delayd action bombs: this would allow low level penetrations into defended areas, and lower the hard deck to as little as 100ft for bomb runs, because the bomber would be well clear before the bombs burst.

#2 Para bombs/frags: for use by the b26,Havoc, Boston..{and b25 if we had em *wink*} and perhaps the adition of a speed limit when taxiing over craters, thus making pock marking runways a viable tactic.

#3 skip bombs: again I believe the B26 was known to have dropped them, and im sure that B25H's did use them in anti shipping role, this would again  lower release alt and allow an attacking bomber to fly low during his egress instead of blowing massive ammounts of speed to gain minimum bomb drop alt.

wow, all fine ideas id say, and Historicaly acurate tactics...hmmmmm to bad the chances of any of them being implimented are slim and none...

any additions would be appreciated...

[Masherbrum]

Just keep rolling your lame low level suicide buffs and feed my kitty.

[stephen]

thank you for your inteligent addition to the thread, the point however is to eliminate the suicide aspect of going in low lvl, that way I can sit in my tail gun and write my name in bullets on your windscreen....

[Simaril]

Originally posted by stephen
thank you for your inteligent addition to the thread, the point however is to eliminate the suicide aspect of going in low lvl, that way I can sit in my tail gun and write my name in bullets on your windscreen....

Sounds like you've been writing on the windshields of the inexperienced. If I get a ping from a tailgun when attacking buffs, it means I messed up.

[MadSquirrel]

That would be OK, as long as each base was equipped with mobile and stationary Flak 88s.  Manned of course.  Because to be "historically Accurate" most aircraft downed during WWII were brought down by Flak.

DOH ! ! !  So much for that.

LTARsqrl  <>

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by stephen
thank you for your inteligent addition to the thread, the point however is to eliminate the suicide aspect of going in low lvl, that way I can sit in my tail gun and write my name in bullets on your windscreen....

I'll HO you, blindside you, or come up from underneath.   You'll be too busy exploding to "be allowed the use of your bravado".    So again, keep feeding my kitty.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
That would be OK, as long as each base was equipped with mobile and stationary Flak 88s.  Manned of course.  Because to be "historically Accurate" most aircraft downed during WWII were brought down by Flak.

DOH ! ! !  So much for that.

LTARsqrl  <>

Second that! Bring on the AAA so I have something to shoot after the second typhoon pass. 5" guns on the fields, then bring on your low level dweeb bombers!:aok

[LYNX]

Originally posted by stephen
Lot of people being dramatic about our use of buffs as low alt carpet bombers....so be it, but id like to add a couple ideas to make them even MORE affective in that role,,

#1 Delayd action bombs: this would allow low level penetrations into defended areas, and lower the hard deck to as little as 100ft for bomb runs, because the bomber would be well clear before the bombs burst.

#2 Para bombs/frags: for use by the b26,Havoc, Boston..{and b25 if we had em *wink*} and perhaps the adition of a speed limit when taxiing over craters, thus making pock marking runways a viable tactic.

#3 skip bombs: again I believe the B26 was known to have dropped them, and im sure that B25H's did use them in anti shipping role, this would again  lower release alt and allow an attacking bomber to fly low during his egress instead of blowing massive ammounts of speed to gain minimum bomb drop alt.

wow, all fine ideas id say, and Historicaly acurate tactics...hmmmmm to bad the chances of any of them being implimented are slim and none...

any additions would be appreciated...

Your having a laugh right ?  You trying to provoke a 4 pager thread ?
May I ask you who showed you this type of bomber tactic ?
Are you aware low level bombers are considered somewhat gamey?

AND NO TO RUNWAY DAMAGE. Seen that in another sim and all that happens is the plane spawn point gets bombed and the idiot bombee circles the cratore for proxy kills.  No thanks matey.

If you would like to learn calibrated bombing look me up in the arena and i'll teach you.....Takes 10 minutes.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by LYNX


AND NO TO RUNWAY DAMAGE. Seen that in another sim and all that happens is the plane spawn point gets bombed and the idiot bombee circles the cratore for proxy kills.  No thanks matey.

Ohh I had forgotten about those days , yeah that sucked.

[SAS_KID]

I think we complain about low level buffs when we see a Lancaster diving in dropping all its bombs and bailing. I could care less if it as a B26 or B25 for they were lower level alt bombers. But when you see 5 sets of 17's diving in and just pounding the hangers it can piss you off to watch them just bail.

[stephen]

I agree that dive bombing b17's b24's lancs and the like should be stopped, easily accomplished by a limiter that wouldnt allow bombs to drop if the airplane is in a negative 15degree attitude, simple
and thats all that I want to hear about it, this thread DID NOT start out as a way of pushing for more dive bombing lancs, so stow your animosity.

And just what do you call A B25H? or the raids from bostons and havocs in ww2? low level is a viable/survivable tactic, and was used in WW2 as a way of gaining surprise, and doing maximum damage with minimal exposure to fire, {and my friend I know how to use a bomb site thank you very much}, I have been a party to hounding by nme ftrs in a bomber, and its never pretty, basicly if the fighter jocks can-not have a nice plump defensless bomber to pound to smitherines they arent going to be happy,

I was excited when the havoc was introduced because it meant to me that low level penetration raids where possible, now its simply a case of the wrong ord for the job, were talking MEDIUM bombers here folks, so dont get your pantys in a knot. I like the sharing of ideas, and if this became a four pager it wouldnt hurt my feelings, this game needs a kick in the but, and simple additions like the ability to carry skip bombs parafrags and the like is an attempt to get more use out of a good set of planes{b26,boston,A-20} that see little use in MA, wheeew ok hit me back.

[LYNX]

All I'm reading here is that you don't want to spend time to get to 18+K, where few fighters are.  What your promoting  is 3 x B26's ack stars, as called in other games. Just a floating gun platform.

I use b26's at around 10k rarely do I get shot down completely.  Best landed air to air kills in a b26 is 7 + I porked ammo 4 fuels and barracks.  Dar was already down  Anything other than calibrated bombing in my opinion is gamey.   Sorry can'ty be positive about any of your proposals.


You wanna bash a base up these planes do it well.
p38 2x 1k 10x100lb rockets
p47 "         "                 "       + 1x 500lb
p51, f6f, f4u's, mossie and the like.

[stephen]

your nuts, but your singular commentment to hi alt bombing is comendable, you want to call a mission type that was actualy flown in ww2 quote:{gamey} , this leads me to believe that you are either A: misinformed
or B:........ heck I cant figure out why you might say that....I dont want to call you unintelligent because i dont believe you are Lynx, but your puting words in my mouth friend and I dont appreciate that, I have zero problem climbing,..........nvrmnd its like trying to explain to a deaf person what a bird chirp sounds like, ill get back to you and try to link a video of low level b26's and B25's dropping this {Gamey} ord as you call it.....

Nutier that a squirel **** that one....

[bj229r]

Fail to understand why you posted comments on this subject in one thread..then started a whole other thread on the same subject....but the matter at hand---heavies usually went at 25kish, mediums usually went at 10-15k--what alt do YOU consider low?

[stephen]

There is a whole war in the Pacific being ignored here, there are multiple accounts of B25's/B26's dropping bombs on runways, industrial complexes in ww2 from low, i.e. TREE TOP LEVEL, I simply cannot understand what is so hard to grasp here, as a matter of fact I have spoken to two people that flew B24's with the ball turret removed in the Pacific theater, AND reported using DELAYD ACTION BOMBS, at LOW LEVEL which is a basic bomb given a timed fuse, I consider low level below the normal operating altitude of a fighter, i.e. tree top level, anymore questions?.,.....

This is not the same thread I DO NOT CONDONE THE USE OF HEAVYS AS DIVE BOMBERS!!!!!!!!! so stop it with this junk!!! add an inteligent reason why this shouldnt be impleminted or shut up!, fighter jocks be danged, there is historical proof of bombs being dropped below 500ft by hvy bombers, but im not asking for that, im asking for MEDIUM BOMBERS to be equipt with HISTORICALY ACCURATE ORD. i.e skip bombs {for killing cv's} parafrags {for killing ftrs taking off and damaging runways} and delayed fuse bombs {so the bomber can escape blast radius} , these reply's of how ez it is to bomb from alt have no affect on me, I am accurate from 10k and above, I would simply like the addition of HISTORICALY ACCURATE FUSING in at-least some of the medium bombers, and at the most para frags so I can make an airfield hard to take off from , LIKE IN REAL LIFE.