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Ice bubbles reveal biggest rise in CO2 for 800,000 years
« on: September 04, 2006, 11:55:05 PM »
The rapid rise in greenhouse gases over the past century is unprecedented in at least 800,000 years, according to a study of the oldest Antarctic ice core which highlights the reality of climate change.

Air bubbles trapped in ice for hundreds of thousands of years have revealed that humans are changing the composition of the atmosphere in a manner that has no known natural parallel.

Scientists at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) in Cambridge have found there have been eight cycles of atmospheric change in the past 800,000 years when carbon dioxide and methane have risen to peak levels.

Each time, the world also experienced the relatively high temperatures associated with warm, inter-glacial periods, which were almost certainly linked with levels of carbon dioxide and possibly methane in the atmosphere.

However, existing levels of carbon dioxide and methane are far higher than anything seen during these earlier warm periods, said Eric Wolff of the BAS.

"Ice cores reveal the Earth's natural climate rhythm over the last 800,000 years. When carbon dioxide changed there was always an accompanying climate change," Dr Wolff said. "Over the past 200 years, human activity has increased carbon dioxide to well outside the natural range and we have no analogue for what will happen next.

"We have a no-analogue situation. We don't have anything in the past that we can measure directly," he added.

The ice core was drilled from a thick area of ice on Antarctica known as Dome C. The core is nearly 3.2km long and reaches to a depth where air bubbles became trapped in ice that formed 800,000 years ago.

"It's from those air bubbles that we know for sure that carbon dioxide has increased by about 35 per cent in the past 200 years. Before that 200 years, which is when man's been influencing the atmosphere, it was pretty steady to within 5 per cent," Dr Wolff said.

The core shows that carbon dioxide was always between 180 parts per million (ppm) and 300 ppm during the 800,000 years. However, now it is 380 ppm. Methane was never higher than 750 parts per billion (ppb) in this timescale, but now it stands at 1,780 ppb.

But the rate of change is even more dramatic, with increases in carbon dioxide never exceeding 30 ppm in 1,000 years -- and yet now carbon dioxide has risen by 30 ppm in the last 17 years.

"The rate of change is probably the most scary thing because it means that the Earth systems can't cope with it," Dr Wolff told the British Association meeting at the University of East Anglia in Norwich.

"On such a crowded planet, we have little capacity to adapt to changes that are much faster than anything in human experience."

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2006, 02:31:09 AM »
Pfft, scientists. What do they know?
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Re: Ice bubbles reveal biggest rise in CO2 for 800,000 years
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2006, 04:26:33 AM »
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Methane was never higher than 750 parts per billion (ppb) in this timescale, but now it stands at 1,780 ppb.


Ever a reason to cull the FDB's if I ever saw one.

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2006, 06:03:32 AM »
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'Ten years to climate meltdown'
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Monday September 4, 2006 4:48 PM

A climate change timebomb may be just 10 years away from detonating, according to the latest global warming evidence.

New data from a deep ice core drilled out of the Antarctic permafrost reveal a shocking rate of change in carbon dioxide concentrations.

The core, stretching through layers dating back 800,000 years, contains tiny bubbles of ancient air that can be analysed.

Scientists who studied the samples found they left no doubt as to the extent of the build-up of greenhouse gases.

For most of the past 800,000 years, carbon dioxide levels had remained at between 180 and 300 parts per million (ppm) of air. Now they are at 380ppm.

In the past, it had taken 1,000 years for carbon dioxide to rise by 30ppm during natural warming periods. According to the new measurements, the same level of increase has occurred in just the last 17 years.

Isotopic tests confirmed that the recent carbon dioxide had come from fossil fuel sources and must be due to human activity.

Dr Eric Wolff, from the British Antarctic Survey, who presented the findings at the BA Festival of Science in Norwich, said: "The rate of change is the most scary thing.

"We really are in a situation where something's happening that we don't have any analogue for in our records.

"It's an experiment we don't know the result of."


"It's an experiment we don't know the result of" yet we do know[/i] that we are 10 years from the climate change timebomb detonating....
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2006, 06:06:11 AM »
Been reading up on this lately and sadly, things look bad.
Quite bad.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2006, 06:42:43 AM »
That contradiction Holden pointed out is just another reason why it's hard to take these guys and their doom and gloom forecasts seriously. They don't know what's going to happen, but apparently they do know we are all going to die a horrible death in 2016, or at the very least something really nasty is going to happen from a climate timebomb(whatever that is) going off.

They need to be a little bit more specific, what date is this big event in 2016 going to happen on? Will I be safe if I take refuge in my cave in the Bush, or is this thing just going to bump of you guys in the northern hemisphere? I need to know. I got plans to make.

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2006, 06:48:22 AM »
Well they're pointing out that there is (which is probably true) a certain point of no return. That is the timebomb, - after that, oooops...
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2006, 06:59:54 AM »
Ok Angus but even if they are right, the reality of it is that there's nothing much the average person can do to prevent it anyway. So why worry about it?

WW3 will prolly kill off most of us first anyway. It's a better bet, but not worth worrying about either.

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2006, 08:30:26 AM »
weird... first they tell us that it is global warming and then it is C02 going up in every other period of time in the past (c02 happens after GW)

Now... it is the C02 that is causing the global warming?

We are in a global warming trend... we have had em in the past.

Know what?   they are natural and.... we can't do a thing about em.

Let's say we were in an ice age (we will be eventualy)  Do you think these scientists would be advocating burning all the fossil fuel we could to stop the onslought of the ice age?   Nope... they would know there was nothing man could do.

It is very arrogant to think that we are causing global warming.

But... say they are right.... we are doomed at this point....nothing can change it... it's too late... the only thing that will help is if we shut down all air travel right now.    Each passenger on a cross continental flight creates a ton of Co2 gasses....   more than most cars produce in a lifetime.

Get out of your jets and take the car or we are doomed..... dooomed I say!

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2006, 08:34:44 AM »
the sky is falling(*&!@# oh noes(*&!@#!

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Question for the day -- if atmospheric carbon dioxide is as strong a determinant of planetary temperature as is frequently alleged, why isn't the world at its warmest in April and coolest in August when the annual peak and trough in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels occur? The annual northern hemisphere spring/summer growing season sees a draw down of 4-5 ppmv in the atmospheric carbon resource yet global temperature peaks when atmospheric carbon dioxide is lowest and is a little below average when CO2 is highest. Something wrong here, surely.


Do we really need to rehash the inherent problems with ice core samples? We've done that dance before with Beetle in another thread.

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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2006, 08:39:15 AM »
Outlaw industry, and create huge air scrubbers. Then an asteroid hits and kills us anyways. Or war starts and we add to the damage. We just rent the place.

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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2006, 08:44:35 AM »
now would be a good time to release the beet1e

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2006, 08:53:47 AM »
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Ok Angus but even if they are right, the reality of it is that there's nothing much the average person can do to prevent it anyway. So why worry about it?

WW3 will prolly kill off most of us first anyway. It's a better bet, but not worth worrying about either.



That is an attitude Hitler would have loved.
Fortunately (for him it was UNfortunately) the Brits didn't feel that way.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2006, 08:55:06 AM »
High c02 historicaly trails global warming trends it does not cause them or come before them even.

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