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Offline Halo

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Sig vs. Glock
« on: September 08, 2006, 10:56:51 PM »
This could be any kind of x pistol vs. y pistol thread, but I'm currently intrigued with the Sig and Glock semiautomatic pistols because one or the other has been selected by so many federal and state law enforcement agencies.

Google provides many threads on the subject, and there seem to be many advocates for either as well as for both.  Looks like can't lose choosing either.  

At our excellent local commercial indoor firing range, last week I fired a Glock .45 caliber Model 21, and today I fired a Sig .40 caliber P229.  I enjoyed both.  Here are my main impressions (I'm an older occasional shooter with revived interest in shooting after a couple years of dormancy):

The Glock 21 .45 felt very safe and predictable.  I can see why so many police and military issue it -- users generally know exactly what its status is and what it will do in a lot of different circumstances.

The consistent double action trigger pull (5.5 lbs) might be its greatest safety feature.  The tradeoff is okay accuracy but not as easy as with a lighter trigger pull.  The Glock generally felt safer than any semiauto I've ever seen or read about, and most reports contend it can take more abuse than most any other semiauto.  

The Glock 21 could hold 13 .45 bullets, and that is a ton of firepower.  Unfortunately, I've never been very accurate with a .45.  The Glock was easier for me than the old military 1911s, but I still couldn't hit a quarter coin-sized bullseye even at 7 yards.  

The Sig P229 with its 12 .40 caliber bullets is an absolute joy to shoot with its single action (4.5 lbs) after the first trigger pull (12 lbs), which isn't that stiff either.  I obliterated the quarter coin-sized bullseye at 7 yards and hit it at 15 yards too.  

But the Sig never felt safe to me.  It had some kind of trigger decocking which I finally got used to, but the trigger is so sensitive I wouldn't feel safe with a Sig unless there was no shell in the chamber.  

That of course slows up self defense considerably, though it is not a problem on the firing range.  

It doesn't seem to bother most shooters judging from Internet postings, so that problem may apply only to ultra safety freaks like me (e.g., my home situation fortunately is safe enough that I have never kept a loaded gun in the house).  

The magazines in both the Sig and the Glock had springs so stiff that I could never load a full capacity in either.  I quit trying after what seemed to me to be enough prudent pressure to avoid crimping a shell case.  

Magazine spring reliability is a separate issue.  Some threads insist fully loaded magazines should be alternated as often as every month, while other posters insist they can remain loaded for years.  (This is one reason why for home defense over the years I just go with a double-action revolver -- the simpler the better.)  

The Sig needs better care than the Glock according to many reports on the Internet, and that seems to be simply because the Glock is considered so rugged and reliable it is almost in a class by itself.  

The Sig also is the first gun I've fired that several times hit me in the head with ejected shells.  Duh, talk about feeling stupid.  I was afraid I was doing something dumb, or at least the shells were bouncing off the concrete firing position walls, but they were more direct.  The ejection port seems to be more centered on the top instead of biased as much toward one side as most guns are.  I think it's a gun idiosyncrasy and not any idiosicme.
 
Sigs are hundreds of dollars more than Glocks.  Other brands can cost even more, but for value Glock seems to have a major edge.  

Next week I'm going to fire a Glock .40 caliber and a Glock 357 Sig.  As you probably know, it's the same shell necked down in the 357 for higher velocity with the lighter 9mm bullet.  

For home defense and all-around use I'm still sticking with my Ruger .357/.38 double action Security-Six, and for plinking with my Browning Buck Master .22 semiauto.  But the big caliber semiautos are so prevalent it's fun getting acquainted with some of the more widely used ones.  

I've considered Kimbers and Rugers too, but probably will have enough after the Glock .40 and 357 Sig.

This thread is similar to many other gun threads here, but I'm wondering how you might feel about Sig vs. Glock since these seem to be the main handguns selected by so many military and law enforcement agencies (this is considering the Beretta 9mm as essentially a fading one-time quasi political choice).
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2006, 11:15:47 PM »
Both are fine firearms.

I have owned and love my Sig220 .45. It is a great pistol, feels right in the hand and has never failed.

I am not fond of Glocks due to the trigger, but they are also great pistols, and lots of people swear by them.

I really don’t think one has an edge over the other for safety.

Sig customer service has always been fantastic as well.

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2006, 11:36:51 PM »
If concealed carry isn't a consideration, try the beretta in .40.  I have one and I like it a lot.

As for ejected shells landing on your head (or down your collar), I had that problem with multiple guns until I realized that I just wasn't gripping the guns hard enough.  A little tighter grip kept the shells flying off to the side as intended instead of landing inside my shirt collar (ouch!).
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2006, 12:07:30 AM »
i have a glock 22   40cal that i use at work. i like it. glocks are the best bang for the buck. my next piece is a sig 229DAK  .357. nice piece also. costs a bit more $$ though.

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2006, 01:51:43 AM »
I had the opportunity to choose between a Sig 226 and a Glock 17 while in the police academy.  Our instructors taught us on .38 revolvers, then we had a day of glocks, then a day of sigs, and from then on we could use whatever we chose (including berettas and SW's).  

8 out of the 11 people in my class chose the Sig.  I had no experience with pistols before the police academy, but I just liked the feel of the Sig better.  The Glock grip felt angled too steeply.  All the weight was in the rear of the gun, and the weight seemed to change a lot more as the weapon emptied.  I liked having  the mass distributed farther forward, as on the Sig.  Completely personal preference though.

I understand where you're coming from on the Sig trigger pull and decocking lever.  We put thousands of rounds through our pistols, and did countless dry-fire drills to teach us the mechanism of the weapon.  Now, every time I take the weapon off target it is instinct to hit the decocking lever.  I love the Double-single action trigger, as it allowed extremely fast and accurate following shots, yet still gave the safety of a long, smooth trigger pull for the first shot.  I've never tried the Sig DAK trigger, but I'd give it consideration if I were in the market for a new one.  

I only own Sigs right now, but sometimes when I take my firearm noob friends out I wish I had a simpler weapon like a glock.  I can tell that they're intimidated by all the switches and levers and things to remember.  But once you're trained in its operation, everything else seems crude by comparison.

ed: I've never had a problem with brass being thrown, either, unless it was from the shooter standing to my left.  Maybe it was a weird gun, or maybe it just doesn't mesh with your shooting style.

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2006, 06:58:11 AM »
I'm not a Glock fan. They are a fine weapon, but they just do not have the feel that I like. I'm a 1911 guy at heart, but I also dearly love a Sig P220 in 45 ACP. With the Sig, until I pull the trigger the first time, I treat it like a double action revolver, after the first shot, I treat it the same as I would a 1911 if it were cocked, whether before or after the first shot. So it feels as safe as a 1911, which I feel fine with.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2006, 10:06:18 AM »
I have a P220 and a Beretta .40 (94 commander). Both are excellent handguns and you wouldn't be giving up anything with either. I've fired the Glock in 9mm, .40 and .45 and have found it to be an excellent handgun also.

Basically, you're going to be fine with either. So pay attention to the little things on both and go with what you like better, not what you're told is better.

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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2006, 10:25:22 AM »
I shot GTO's sig and it was a really fine weapon.

I have shot glocks and...  besides hating the way they looked and felt in my hand.... I instantly realized that it was Harley against jap bike all over again...

If the glock is a pistol then the sig is something else or vice versa.     I realized that if you like the glock and want to get good with it you have change everything about how you shoot and what you expect of a firearm.

I simply don't like the feel of em or how they shoot.   I really like a good crisp single action trigger pull but have spent a lot of time with double action work on revolvers.   despured my 44 redhawk and other revolvers but... the double action on a revolver is way different than the neither fish nor foul trigger on a glock.

Too set in my ways... even tho I shot the gun better than it's owner... I didn't like the thing.

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2006, 11:24:55 AM »
Had a glock for a few years and it "served" me well... Never jammed and hit were it was supposed to (somewere over there).

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2006, 11:50:57 AM »
can't argue with you nelson.. the glock is a very good tool...

it's just that it has no soul.

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2006, 02:19:41 PM »
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But the Sig never felt safe to me.  It had some kind of trigger decocking which I finally got used to, but the trigger is so sensitive I wouldn't feel safe with a Sig unless there was no shell in the chamber.  

That of course slows up self defense considerably, though it is not a problem on the firing range.


Halo,
Both are double action (SIG can be ordered single) and both will fire if you pull the trigger with a round in the chamber. I routinely carry a SIG P239 .40 S&W in battery and don't feel a bit unsafe with it. Of course, I don't let it out of my hands loaded nor do I leave it unattended unless secured. As the saying goes, no safety mechanism is a replacement for proper gun handling.

Before buying the SIG, I tried several Glocks, Barettas, and the HK P2000SK. I just liked the way the SIG felt and shot. The others were acceptable weapons, and I especially liked the ambidexterous magazine release on the HK, but still chose the SIG in Nitron finish with tritium sights.

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2006, 02:31:12 PM »
<------ has a Tauras .40 PT-100 I love it the only thing is that if some one gets too close to you and slams there hand into the muzzle it wont fire but I make it a point not to let them get that close. It modeld on the older Berreta presse's so it looks just like a Berreta but it hasnt failed me yet went to through CLEAT in Okla. and it fired with out a problem. And that Jakey Chan stuff were he pulls the wepon apart in your hand. Thats not likely going to happen I have tried and tried to do it but its hard enough to get it apart just cleaning it LOL. Well this is My own opp. so yall can call me a tard if ya want to.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2006, 06:55:55 PM »
I'll stick with my USP 45.   I'd never a own a Beretta or it's clones if they were the last pistols on earth.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2006, 07:25:23 PM »
.45 great wepon but there round is just to slow if you get into a shoot out they dont like going through a car door. I do relize the likley hood of getting into a shoot out wile near a car but the .40 with go through the door. But the good old 1911 .45 is still the best wepon around
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2006, 05:45:31 AM »
Go with what YOU are most comfortable and shoot the best with. Pistols are far more like girls and motorcycles than long arms are - EVERYONE has a different favorite, everyone has their reasons, and nobody is wrong. :)

I learned to shoot pistols with a SIG (226/9x19mm). I had to train on a couple of different pistols later, one of which is supposedly the 'best made combat pistol in the world'. I hated the 'best' one. Some of the guys I was working with were 1911 fanatics. They were also phenominal shots with their 1911s (most were using Kimber Tacticals).

So I bought a Kimber Tactical. It is a truly awesome weapon. I honestly believe it is a superior weapon to the SIG - in the hands of almost everyone but me. :)

And at the end of the day, I was still better with the SIG. So I sold the Kimber to a coworker, losing a lot of $ in the process. Because one of the senior guys in my unit blessed me with some words of wisdom - "I don't care what you carry, as long as when you have to use it you are the best with that weapon above all others. Your Kimber is great. If you shoot better with the SIG and my bellybutton is on the line and being protected by your shooting I want you with the damn SIG in your hands."

Make sure you get good initial training (mistakes take a long, long time to unlearn). Then go try a bunch of different weapons. Whichever one feels the 'best' to you when you are shooting, whichever one gives you the best results - take that one and screw what almost everyone else says.

Every guy thinks they are a gun expert. 1% actually are, because they put in the time (lazs is a good example in my opinion).

Carry what you are smooth and accurate with. Because if you ever need it, you don't want any snags before you even draw the weapon. In a shooting situation little problems can get magnified really fast.