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Offline Debonair

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« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2006, 12:50:24 AM »
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You do know that Bong didn't cause the P-80 he was flying to crash when he was killed, don't you? He was a test pilot and the plane failed on take off. Hardly a valid comparison, and there's no need at all to disparage Bong, or even mention him in the same breath as Bill Clinton.

As good as Bong was, I'd take lessons from him any day.


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« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2006, 10:58:14 AM »
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I don't look at it as one political party trying to get the movie changed though...  It's a group of people who were making decisions during the lead-up to a horrifying national event, and politics aside, it only makes sense that they would want the truth to be told, not some made-up, more dramatic version of what happened.

I bet it would make better headlines if they had a cut-scene showing Clinton saying something to the effect of "bin-laden can't possibly hurt us", but is that the truth?  Politics has nothing to do with that sort of thing.  If it's not the truth and can't be backed up with factual data, it has no place in a movie about 9/11, period.  It's hard enough for the average person to comprehend the event without hollyweird making crap up and injecting it into the storyline.


I'm all for sprinkling some drama on it to make them look horrible... because it's the only punishment they'll get. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives, if it takes some drama to drive that point home and hold their feet to the fire.. so be it.

Politicians are the only folks who can totally fail to do their job, and because of sheer incompetence get people killed, then walk away smelling like a rose while passing the buck. F em, let the media rip em apart, they deserve it.

If the elite are screaming about it, all the more reason to let the people decide.. ABC letting a select few, who are clearly out for their own best interests and have stated agendas, decide what we watch, is censorship.

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« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2006, 02:08:10 PM »
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Thought one or two of you might appreciate Scott Ott's latest over on Scrappleface:

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ABC Drama Marks 50th Anniversary of 9/11
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How time flies.... it seems like only five years ago...
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« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2006, 09:01:23 PM »
ABC caved. They skipped from 1995 to 1998. No mention at all of passing up an opportunity to take bin laden into custody. Still interesting though.

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« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2006, 09:15:11 PM »
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ABC caved. They skipped from 1995 to 1998. No mention at all of passing up an opportunity to take bin laden into custody. Still interesting though.


You must not be watching the same episode I am. Because they not only mentioned passing him up, but also that the failure allowed some terrorist attacks.
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« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2006, 10:45:22 PM »
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You must not be watching the same episode I am. Because they not only mentioned passing him up, but also that the failure allowed some terrorist attacks.


I posted before they moved on to the later attempts at capturing him. Looks like they cut about 20 mins out of tonight's episode.

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some of what was changed b4 last nites show:
« Reply #81 on: September 11, 2006, 07:36:45 AM »
didn't see it all but noticed a couple of Band of Brothers stars in it & what I saw looked good:

from myway:

NEW YORK (AP) - ABC aired its miniseries "The Path to 9/11" on Sunday but made editing changes after former Clinton administration officials complained it contained fabricated scenes about their actions prior to the terrorist attacks.

ABC's editing of the five-hour movie, airing on two successive nights starting Sunday, was evident from the very beginning. Twice, the network de-emphasized the role of the 9/11 commission's final report as source material for the film.

The version that aired Sunday also changed a scene that, in a copy of the movie given to television critics a few weeks ago, indicated President Clinton's preoccupation with his potential impeachment may have affected an effort to go after Osama bin Laden.

In the original scene, an actor portraying White House terrorism czar Richard Clarke shares a limousine ride with FBI agent John O'Neill and tells him: "The Republicans are going all-out for impeachment. I just don't see in that climate the president's going to take chances" and give the order to kill bin Laden.

But in the film aired Sunday, Clarke says to O'Neill: "The president has assured me this ... won't affect his decision-making."

O'Neill replies: "So it's OK if somebody kills bin Laden, as long as he didn't give the order. It's pathetic."

The critics' version contained a note in the opening scenes that the film is "based on the 9/11 commission report." That was omitted from the film aired Sunday. A disclaimer aired three times emphasized it was not a documentary.

"For dramatic and narrative purposes the movie contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue, as well as time compression," the note that ran before the movie said.

The note said the material is "drawn from a variety of sources including the 9/11 commission report and other published materials and from personal interviews." That differs from a note in the critics' version that said the dramatization "is based on the 9/11 commission report and other published sources and personal interviews."

Critics, such as historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., said it was "disingenuous and dangerous" not to include accurate historical accounts in the movie.

A scene in the movie depicting a team of CIA operatives poised in darkness outside of bin Laden's fortess in Afghanistan, ready to attack, was substantially cut down from the original. Pictures of the waiting Afghanistan operatives are interspersed with those of officials in Washington, who had to approve the mission.

The original version depicted national security adviser Samuel R. Berger hanging up on CIA chief George Tenet as Tenet sought permission to attack bin Laden. The movie aired Sunday did not include Berger hanging up.

The affect of the changes is to deflect specific blame. It ends with actor Donnie Wahlberg, head of the CIA team in Afghanistan, saying, "Are there no men in Washington?"

Another scene in the critics' cut pictured O'Neill asking Clarke on the telephone: "What's Clinton going to do (about bin Laden)?"

Clarke replies, "I don't know. The Lewinsky thing is a noose around his neck."

This was cut entirely from the film that aired Sunday.

Editors left intact a scene that had angered former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, portraying her as being behind a move to inform the Pakistani government in advance of a U.S. missile strike against bin Laden. The movie indicated that was a key factor in bin Laden getting away.

The movie, scheduled to air from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m., finished at 10:40 p.m. ET.

ABC has said little about the controversy, and said Sunday it would not comment.

Thomas Kean, head of the commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks and a backer of the film, said on ABC's "This Week" Sunday that he hadn't seen the final cut of the movie but urged Americans to watch it.

"If people blame Bill Clinton after seeing this, then the miniseries has failed," said Kean, the former Republican New Jersey governor. "That's wrong and it shouldn't happen."

John Lehman, another Republican commission members, said on the ABC News show that he's told the film is equally harsh on the administrations of President Bush and his father, former President George H.W. Bush.

"And if you don't like the hits to the Clinton administration, well, welcome to the club," Lehman said. "The Republicans have lived with Michael Moore and Oliver Stone and most of Hollywood as a fact of life."
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« Reply #82 on: September 11, 2006, 08:47:31 AM »
Ya ol Lip and Guarnere were in it.  I really thought it was well done for a made for tv movie. And it laid alot of guilt toward Clinton. I had forgotten the Monica mess was going on at that time. Maybe if he wasnt worrying so much how to pull his **** out of the fire, he would have reacted better. Probably not, but who knows.

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« Reply #83 on: September 11, 2006, 09:18:19 AM »
clinton didnt want to do anything unpopular or that would upset the out of control stock market rise

he was useless for 8 years which is why the last 6 years have been hell
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« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2006, 11:19:57 AM »

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« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2006, 12:10:44 PM »
Only watched this one but it was in last night's episode.:

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=truOlES9nWc

#4 was shown also.



Only half of those links work. I think all of the ones that do work were aired.
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« Reply #86 on: September 11, 2006, 04:50:15 PM »
It's fairly well known now that the Clinton administration passed up multiple opportunities to either capture or kill bin-Laden for various reasons. The ultimate results of his (imo) poor descions was 9-11.
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« Reply #87 on: September 11, 2006, 11:02:40 PM »
Tonight seemed cut short too. Oh well, I found it interesting. I give ABC a  :aok

When they focused on the cruise missile attack to get bin laden and the probability that he was tipped of by the Pakistanis who we told for fear they would believe themselves to be under attack by India it occurred to me that tipping them off was bad for two reasons. Not only did bin laden escape but we might have provoked Pakistan into attacking India who might then have destroyed Pakistan, two birds.... ;)

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« Reply #88 on: September 12, 2006, 12:18:42 AM »
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"I know there are some scenes where words are put in characters' mouths. But the whole thing is true to the spirit of 9/11."

True to the spirit of 9/11?  Just like Pearl Harbor(2001) was true to the spirit of 12/7?  ABC needs to stop selling this miniseries as if it is factual and just come out and say they just interlaced it with untruths for publicity and ratings.  None one needs to spice of the events leading to 9/11 for better marketability.

The whole thing is embarrassing.



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« Reply #89 on: September 12, 2006, 06:18:02 AM »
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When they focused on the cruise missile attack to get bin laden and the probability that he was tipped of by the Pakistanis who we told for fear they would believe themselves to be under attack by India it occurred to me that tipping them off was bad for two reasons. Not only did bin laden escape but we might have provoked Pakistan into attacking India who might then have destroyed Pakistan, two birds.... ;)


Yes, I saw that part on my tivo last night. Hadn't realized before how much slick helped our cause by striking the pharmaceutical plant. How to win friends and influence ppl for sure. wtg slick!!
told about an administration without a backbone!
From what I have seen, it looks like ABC got it right more than they got it wrong. It is the closest thing to what I feel actually happened yet. Wtg ABC!
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