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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2006, 10:07:28 PM »
Wow, I guess common decency only applies when it's your issue that is in question.

Let's just say I am opposed to the Sharia and as a protest I stand in front of a mosque with a giant picture of a beheaded captive, or the burned bodies of Americans hanging from a bridge?

Or maybe I'm opposed to pornography.. so i stand on the street in front of a sex shop with a huge photo of a diseased organ.

Yeah... nobody could feel offended by that unless they were immoral or something.. right?

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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2006, 11:09:59 PM »
On the other hand, when reality is not visibily represented, your side of the debate never moves beyond the abstract and the ideological.

Ergo, abortion advocates refuse to confront what abortion really is.  The human side of the debate becomes skewed toward the tragedy that the mother would have to go through if she carried a baby she didn't really want all the way to term.

Note that, in that last statement, I infer that debate supporting a woman's right to choose is no longer centered around the need to protect her physical health, which was the original argument put forth by those who wanted abortion legalized, and has instead shifted toward her right to make a decision based, almost solely these days, on her convenience.

My wife has a friend who was a nurse.  She worked for a doctor who routinely performed out-patient abortions.  After the deed was done, he delegated the task of disposing of the remains which had been vacuumed from the mother's womb to the nurses.  He never bother to look at them himself.

Nevertheless, she supported a woman's right to choose, and never gave it much real thought.

Her first pregnancy came as a surprise.  At that point in time she didn't want to take on the responsibility of raising a child.  She was young and wanted to concentrate on her career.  So she had an abortion.

A few days afterwards, she became ill.  She went to the bathroom one morning, and while sitting on the toilet, passed one of the child's arms.  She told us that the psychological shock was something tremendous.  The memory still wakes her up at nights.

She changed her mind about the necessity of it because of that event.  She also went to work for another doctor...one who didn't perform abortions.

Needless to say, she is a most fervent proponent of alternatives to abortion.

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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2006, 07:53:50 AM »
Everyone scews the debate toward their side of the issue, just like you did above. There is really just one bottom line question to me;

Do we allow a religion to define the rights of all Americans?

I say no. And for every horror story you want to share I'm sure there is another about a child in poverty or a teenager who's life is ruined or .. whatever.

Irrelevent.

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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2006, 08:27:22 AM »
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And for every horror story you want to share I'm sure there is another about a child in poverty or a teenager who's life is ruined or .. whatever.

Irrelevent.
this is a perfect illustration of the elitist liberal world view.  I'm saddened by the callous manner people such as yourself so easily dismiss human life.

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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2006, 09:22:05 AM »
Sorry, I don't accept your religion's definition of life.

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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2006, 09:29:42 AM »
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Sorry, I don't accept your religion's definition of life.


MT religion
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2006, 09:52:31 AM »
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Sorry, I don't accept your religion's definition of life.
ok, may I have yours then?

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« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2006, 10:33:42 AM »
I refuse to vote for either a liberal or a conservative, granted you know how they will likely stand on issues but they are too steadfast in their own beliefs to open their eyes to anyone else's.

I feel this is one of the reasons the more moderate Democrats/Republicans have no chance in hell of becoming President, most people want to know how someone will stand on all issues before they are even asked.
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« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2006, 10:43:42 AM »
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ok, may I have yours then?


when the egg cracks open and they get a good whiff of chicken arse :) ..
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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2006, 11:06:11 AM »
Wow, the chick in the lower left corner with the flag on hr face has a really nice rack....


What was the article about, anyway?

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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2006, 11:39:27 AM »
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ok, may I have yours then?


Sorry, but that is a loaded question even biologists will haggle over. There is no black and white dividing line between life and potential life and life that has the opportunity to be potential life. That is why the government and all religions needs to keep the heck out of it.

Of course there is a point at which the argument becomes silly. An 8 month term baby is a baby. A 7 month term baby probably is too. I would be all for limiting third trimester abortions to the those required to maintain the health of the mother.

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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2006, 12:24:35 PM »
better question maybe at what point does a baby feel pain....

the libs are shooting themselves in the foot by supporting abortion, they are slowly whittling away at their future voting base ...
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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2006, 12:55:38 PM »
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Hi x0847Marine,

 

Abollitionists were fairly unpopular at slave auctions as well. But I'm still rather glad they didn't mind their own business and let people get on with perfectly legal commerce.

Having been to one or two rallies in the vicinity of abortion clinics (it's illegal to demonstrate on their grounds or within a certain distance), I haven't actually heard anything abusive shouted at people going in. Certainly nothing even remotely approaching what's in the second verse of "What its like" by Everlast. Yeah, we were holding Abortion Kills Children signs, and that makes people uncomfortable, but it's supposed to, and if we didn't believe that, we'd hardly be protesting abortion. I also remember one family holding two signs saying "Please Let Us Adopt Your Baby."

In any event, it might be possible that there are abortion protestors out there who want to insult you, and if that was the case, then I am sorry for that, but most of them are there because they sincerely believe that  in an abortion there are two people on the table but only one survives the procedure. For most Christians it is a case of obeying the command to "Open your mouth for the speechless, In the cause of all who are appointed to die." (Prov. 31:8)


We were conducting lawful business of a medical and personal nature, weather it was "right" or "wrong" is only an OPINION. I personally don't care what people opine on the matter, it's legal, and we had every right as Americans to traverse the sidewalk unabated.

Whats the point of going somewhere just to piss off others (conducting legal business) who don't share the same opinions?

Belief in a higher power didn't make their opinion any more valid than mine.

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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2006, 04:06:26 PM »
life begins at conception any other response is intellectually dishonest.

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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2006, 05:28:36 PM »
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life begins at conception any other response is intellectually dishonest.


OK, I'll give ya that one.  Here's some of mine:

The earth is not 6,000 years old and any other response is intellectually dishonest;

That man did not exist at the same time as Tyranosaurus Rex is a fact and any other response is intellectually dishonest;

That the overwhelming evidence that all life descended from a common ancestor or ancestors is obvious, and any other response is intellectually dishonest; and

That the Bible is not literally accurate is a fact and any other response is intellectually dishonest.

Now, I don't mean this to be picking on you personally, Storch, because I really have no idea what your views are on the topics, but I will say that I do know many people on these boards, who would describe themselves as conservative, feel that any or all of these statements are outright lies.
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