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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: September 12, 2006, 09:48:19 PM »
Really I don't see these people as fringe or extreme anything in world of liberalism.  It's just sad that some of them have so much hate and so little common sense.  Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2006, 09:56:09 PM »
there liberlas, they've been wanting a communist country for 30 years now. some people are just a little coo-koo in the head.

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2006, 10:07:34 PM »
I agree with you that the people in those photos are not the sort I'd like to associate with...

But to answer your other question...  Yeah, I do see *some* conservatives who display such hate and vile, and so little common sense.  Maybe not about the same issue (obviously), but certainly about others...  Gay Rights and Evolution spring to mind.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2006, 10:24:19 PM »
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Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?[/url]


Are you serious?  Remember all those "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and "God hates studmuffins" religious nutjobs?

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2006, 10:34:30 PM »
I'm not sure how you equate those folks to liberals. They didn't espouse ANY liberal agenda I ever heard of.

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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2006, 10:41:40 PM »
I equate anything so outlandish as that kind of stuff being portrayed as being the fringe of liberalism but liberalism none the less.  how could anyone think otherwise?  in fairness I aslo see the nutjobs tarmac was describing as the extreme right, while I agree that they are religious nutjobs I would disagree that they are even remotely Christian.

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 10:47:23 PM »
Anyone see Funked in those pics?

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 10:51:14 PM »
Bunch of wackos who don't know what they want, except to say that they want it 'now'!

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2006, 11:00:14 PM »
I'm with MT on this. I'm also in agreement with this guy...
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2006, 12:10:31 AM »
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I'm with MT on this. I'm also in agreement with this guy...


I've got a question--what sort of suppository does a guy need to take to achieve that facial expression?

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2006, 12:19:48 AM »
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Do you really see people that associate themselves with conservatism displaying such hate and vile?[/url]


Huh?   Yer kiddin right?
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2006, 01:22:01 AM »
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there liberlas, they've been wanting a communist country for 30 years now. some people are just a little coo-koo in the head.



that is the most insane, paranoid acusation i have ever heard. one of the core values of the democratic party is supposedly more government control, which would lead to facism, not communism, which in it's proper form, gives more control to the people, rather than the government. so those liberals want the oposite of what you accuse them of working towards.



the hardcore liberals that you are probably thinking of want a more libertarian style government, where the state mearly serves to defend and facilitate liberties. so even the steriotype that you are accusing is something you clearly dont understand.


also, the communism you are probably talking about is soviet communism, which is not communism at all, mearly an extremely militaristic quazi-dictatorship, which is just about the oposite of true communism.

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2006, 01:26:03 AM »
Hi Gunslingr,

The following are just some highly fallible opinions and observations of mine as to some of the reasons we are seeing the widening worldview rift in American culture.

We often forget that as Western first world nations go, America is the last of the nationalistic, politically conservative, predominantly religious nations. The vast majority of the other first world nations have embraced some form of soft Socialism and abandoned theism for atheistic or agnostic worldviews (materialism, existentialism, nihilism, etc.) We may complain about the liberalism of Canada, but we forget that worldview-wise, they are closest to the USA in their outlook.  

Anyway, there is tremendous pressure within this country, especially within our intelligentsia, for us to abandon "outmoded" ideas like nationalism, conservatism and faith and follow the outlook of the rest of the first world nations, and increasing frustration that nationally, we aren't. We are rapidly reaching an ideological impasse which historically has only been resolved by Civil War or Revolution. Increasingly, we can't communicate or peacefully coexist with one another, and the level of hatred and antagonism is beginning to boil over. Our discourse is increasingly simply irrational - for instance Bush getting blamed for Hurricanes, or accused simultaneously of being too stupid to write his name and a sinister mastermind willing to blow up the WTC in pursuit of "Hitler-like" power. Chimp Hitler - the fiendish amoral conspirator genius capable of fooling the majority, who is also a prudish transparently brain-dead idiot. He has ceased to be a human being and has become an icon. He is the incarnation of everything the left hates about the right, the atheist hates about the evangelicals, the socialist hates about the capitalists, the environmentalist hates about the industrialists. This is just raw hatred and frustration, pure and simple.

There is also the huge divide on social issues, those who do not believe in absolutes and insist on positive law rather than any form of natural law have no basis for dialogue with those who do believe in absolutes and God-given laws. Were can you go when we have an argument between those who say "I am all there is, I decide" and those who say "God is there and He is not silent."

It seems to me as I try to recall the first hand material I've read, that the levels of contempt between the opposing ideologies are currently either at or above the those that existed between Torries and Patriots, Abolitionists and Slave Holders. However, we also live in the media-driven/apathy/leisure age which impedes the outbreak of actual violence. It seems as if at present revolt is not being kept in check by our prosperity - keep in mind also that America's two great revolts were primarily ideological and not inspired by economic deprivation - if anything we are kept in check by our vices.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2006, 01:30:19 AM »
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I've got a question--what sort of suppository does a guy need to take to achieve that facial expression?
Who says it's a suppository? Maybe he just got a Lewinsky.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2006, 07:53:02 AM »
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Who says it's a suppository? Maybe he just got a Lewinsky.


Looks like he's still getting it.