Author Topic: Sig vs. Glock (Read 1278 times)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #45 on:** September 12, 2006, 02:27:16 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
guys... we are getting off here... I just brought up revolvers to show that terror is thinking in a very narrow range.

If a billionth of a sec at very short ranges at very specific types of shooting contests with very specific ammo and some extremely minor issues of reliability are the only concerns...

The glock may be best... If you use the gun for all sorts of things including plinking and target and hunting and defense... you will be better off with a revolver... then a 1911 type.

Overall... save the capacity.... my Kimber does everything better than the glock... it shoots a lead slug too which is important to me. good cheap reloads mean lots of shooting fun. It is flatter and has night sights... it is inherantly safer to leave on the nightstand with one in the chamber and hammer down. The trigger is a pleasure to use and there is an intangible pride of ownership that goes with a finely machined and fitted firearm.

lazs

Agree. This is a post Terror.

Terror · « **Reply #46 on:** September 12, 2006, 02:52:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I'm not a cop. However, I'm pissed off because you lead your "Pro-Gun" campaign in front of other's by SEVERELY misinforming them. Your posts in this thread PROVE it.

Next time I'm in MO. I'll bring the HK USP 45 and fire 13 rounds (12+1)and you shoot 11(10+1). I'll put $100 on it. It'll pay for my gas on the way home.

BTW, the revolver is more ACCURATE weapon by design. I'd wager "double or nothing" on the bet you also have just proposed. That'll put a nice chunk away for a Sig P220.

Not for sure where the HK USP 45 came in? I've never shot a HK except for the MP5. And where did I say that a revolver is less accurate? I said a revolver is faster in the right persons hands but never said it's less accurate. I said give the average cop a revolver and a Glock at 7 yrds and give them 12 rounds. The Glock should come out on top for the simple reason you don't have to reload at 6 rounds and at 7 yrds, even cops can hit an 6 inch pie plate. (I guess I would have to point out that time is also a factor as well as accuracy...)

Don't see where I'm "SEVERELY" misinforming anyone. Just been putting my experiences/observations down, which have been interpreted by my mind to form an opinion. Glocks are a proven reliable, accurate, fast, and durable firearm. There are other firearms out there that are faster, more accurate, maybe even more reliable, but a buyer can feel very safe investing their money in a Glock firearm. And personally, I am one that will take the extra step and even stake not only my money but possibly my life on a Glock firearm, as I carry a Glock.

I am not trying piss anyone off. Merely passing on information as I see it. (as we all are)..

BTW, Don't have the $100 to put on the line... But I would be ecstatic to have some of the folks reading my "Pro-Gun" mis-information threads stop by to do some shooting!! As even with our disagreements on the type of firearm we choose to hurl bullets down range with, we are still all firearm enthusiasts that stand on the same side of the firing line. I will even setup some IDPA stages for us to run through.

Terror

Terror · « **Reply #47 on:** September 12, 2006, 03:04:55 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

Overall... save the capacity.... my Kimber does everything better than the glock... it shoots a lead slug too which is important to me. good cheap reloads mean lots of shooting fun. It is flatter and has night sights... it is inherantly safer to leave on the nightstand with one in the chamber and hammer down. The trigger is a pleasure to use and there is an intangible pride of ownership that goes with a finely machined and fitted firearm.

lazs

Though one thing I find a bit contrdictory is the Kimber is ~$1000 firearm, but you might save a dime per bullet by putting lead down it. (Hopefully, not semi-wad cutters. Seen many many stoppages due to semi-wad cutters. 1911's are very choosy when shooting semi-wad cutters. Here are some good words from Kimber about semi-wad cutters. <--- way off topic... sorry) Why put lead down such a premium weapon?

You are right. This is a SIG v. Glock thread. My bad for getting on the revolver v. auto kick. Apologies.

Terror

PS. Edit because I hit submit when I meant to hit preview....

Maverick · « **Reply #48 on:** September 12, 2006, 06:01:15 PM »

Terror = Glock uber alles.

Yeager · « **Reply #49 on:** September 12, 2006, 08:48:18 PM »

I love my Glock but I got to be honest here, I have yet to meet a gun I didnt like,
I just love em all!

Sigs are cool. Give me one

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** September 13, 2006, 09:07:28 AM »

It costs me $3.50 a box to shoot my hard cast reloads in my Kimber... they shoot just as accurately or more so than cheap ball or even the best defensive loads. How is that not a great thing? I shoot 230 grain hard cast round nose.

The Kimber is more fun to shoot than a glock and more accurate and I can shoot it a lot cheaper. Now..... unless I want to be in the top 2 or three games players on specialized courses....

Why would I want to shoot a glock that is clunky and dumb looking and shoots lead bullets sideways and is inaccurate?

why would I care if I could put 12 or 6 rounds into someone as close as 7 yards? wouldn't the last 1o bullets or so be just shooting a dead man? wouldn't 2 .367 or 44 mag be a lot better than 12 .40 short and weaks?

Another thing about all autos... dirty little secret... if anything is touching the slide and moves it even a fraction of an inch out of battery.... the gun won't fire.

you can fire the 340 pd from a pocket or jammed into someones gut.

So... if you wear a hostered gun or your whole gun experiance is playing a couple of gun games (or reading about em) and...you don't plan on shooting a lot ...you will be fine with a glock.

If you like guns... you might want a revolver or a 1911 or a sig or HK or anything else.

The glock will work for most things but it really isn't the best choice for most people as an all around gun...

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:06:03 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
It costs me $3.50 a box to shoot my hard cast reloads in my Kimber... they shoot just as accurately or more so than cheap ball or even the best defensive loads. How is that not a great thing? I shoot 230 grain hard cast round nose.

The Kimber is more fun to shoot than a glock and more accurate and I can shoot it a lot cheaper. Now..... unless I want to be in the top 2 or three games players on specialized courses....

Why would I want to shoot a glock that is clunky and dumb looking and shoots lead bullets sideways and is inaccurate?

why would I care if I could put 12 or 6 rounds into someone as close as 7 yards? wouldn't the last 1o bullets or so be just shooting a dead man? wouldn't 2 .367 or 44 mag be a lot better than 12 .40 short and weaks?

Another thing about all autos... dirty little secret... if anything is touching the slide and moves it even a fraction of an inch out of battery.... the gun won't fire.

you can fire the 340 pd from a pocket or jammed into someones gut.

So... if you wear a hostered gun or your whole gun experiance is playing a couple of gun games (or reading about em) and...you don't plan on shooting a lot ...you will be fine with a glock.

If you like guns... you might want a revolver or a 1911 or a sig or HK or anything else.

The glock will work for most things but it really isn't the best choice for most people as an all around gun...

You make it sound like the honda civic of handguns lol. I have to say, I agree that fits the glock well.

Terror · « **Reply #52 on:** September 13, 2006, 10:35:11 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
It costs me $3.50 a box to shoot my hard cast reloads in my Kimber... they shoot just as accurately or more so than cheap ball or even the best defensive loads. How is that not a great thing? I shoot 230 grain hard cast round nose.

The Kimber is more fun to shoot than a glock and more accurate and I can shoot it a lot cheaper. Now..... unless I want to be in the top 2 or three games players on specialized courses....

Why would I want to shoot a glock that is clunky and dumb looking and shoots lead bullets sideways and is inaccurate?

why would I care if I could put 12 or 6 rounds into someone as close as 7 yards? wouldn't the last 1o bullets or so be just shooting a dead man? wouldn't 2 .367 or 44 mag be a lot better than 12 .40 short and weaks?

Another thing about all autos... dirty little secret... if anything is touching the slide and moves it even a fraction of an inch out of battery.... the gun won't fire.

you can fire the 340 pd from a pocket or jammed into someones gut.

So... if you wear a hostered gun or your whole gun experiance is playing a couple of gun games (or reading about em) and...you don't plan on shooting a lot ...you will be fine with a glock.

If you like guns... you might want a revolver or a 1911 or a sig or HK or anything else.

The glock will work for most things but it really isn't the best choice for most people as an all around gun...

Yep, you are right, auto's need room to function. Not a "dirty little" secret. Just a fact. (the dirty little secret is the "limp wrist" failure of an auto. A poor grip or lack of control can cause a auto to stop.)

BTW, a fraction of an inch out of battery does not always keep an auto from firing. I have seen several different types of auto's fire while out of battery. Glocks and 1911s included.

2 rounds center mass of just about any .38 caliber hollow point or larger to an un-armored human body is going to put the hurt on anyone. 12 rounds because in those situations, 2 rounds center mass is harder to muster than most people think. Plus bad guys always seem to have their buddies close behind.

I choose not to reload, but I know quite a few folks that do reload for their Glocks. Works fine if you check each brass for bulging or any irregularities. (Which you should be doing no matter what firearm you are reloading for.)

I am of the 100% opposite opinion as I feel the Glock is an ideal choice as an all around gun. It may not be perfect in every situation, but it will perform well in just about any situation. (Even jammed into someones gut. As round #1 cannot miss, then slingshot the slide and line up the next shot.)

Terror

Masherbrum · « **Reply #53 on:** September 13, 2006, 12:59:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Terror
2 rounds center mass of just about any .38 caliber hollow point or larger to an un-armored human body is going to put the hurt on anyone. 12 rounds because in those situations, 2 rounds center mass is harder to muster than most people think. Plus bad guys always seem to have their buddies close behind.

Imagine what the CorBon 230gr. +P ammo in my USP could do. That being 1 in the center of mass.

Terror · « **Reply #54 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:40:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Imagine what the CorBon 230gr. +P ammo in my USP could do. That being 1 in the center of mass.

Pretty freaking damaging. (I sure as heck wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it!!) But a 9mm Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ HP would screw somebodies day just as much. A center mass shot just screws too much stuff up inside. Getting the shots center mass is key, and the reasoning behind having a multitude of followup shots available to you if needed.

Terror