New arena format Part 2 - Use this thread, don't open duplicates

[DipStick]

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[Simaril]

For those concerned about the ENY, and the changes' effects on large squads, something to consider.....


Change is GOING to happen, its a fundamental characteristic of living things. Since any change affects us differently, there's going to be natural tensions.

In groups, the best solutions are those that negotiate a balance between competing priorities, so that neither is completely happy and neither is really mad.

So the goal here should be to find a way that adequately meets all our needs. The problems coming up most are large squad effects and ENY effects


HT has said smaller arenas help people get to know each other. Large squads -- that (probably) know their members well have trouble flying together. Is there a way that both needs can be met? Sure!

Think about a pickup football game. When a bunch of friends get together for a fun time, do they all expect to be on the same side? Do you get 20 guys all on the same side of the ball becaiuse "we're friends"? Ridiculous! Tehy play each other, they trry to best each other, they complement good plays. And they have fun doing it.

Same thing would work here. That solution can meet everyone's needs. Megasquads can go into "scrimmage" mode and have a blast, if they're willing to be just a little flexible. Doing that helps everyone else too, and as HT has said, ebery game starts with even sides.

[DipStick]

Originally posted by 96Delta
It reminded me of a swarm of flys just buzzing around.
One enemy with 22 guys chasing him.
No use of over half the planeset.
No tactics..just arcade.

Main reason I quit. Sure tempted to pop in and see how it's looking. The squad seems pleased.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by lazs2
raider..  I have never seen you in the game so you must go by something other than raider179...

But... I seriously doubt that you fly "alone" to attack the horde  And if you fly at all by yourself I doubt that you do it in anything less than a spit 16 or lala...

 

FatSacks...

I never fly spits and only rarely get into an LA7... Mostly fly bombers, 110's, C47s, F4-D's and The dora, although I do like the ki-84 on occasion...

So take your "serious doubt" and stick it up your FM2...

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Simaril
For those concerned about the ENY, and the changes' effects on large squads, something to consider.....


Change is GOING to happen, its a fundamental characteristic of living things. Since any change affects us differently, there's going to be natural tensions.

In groups, the best solutions are those that negotiate a balance between competing priorities, so that neither is completely happy and neither is really mad.

So the goal here should be to find a way that adequately meets all our needs. The problems coming up most are large squad effects and ENY effects


HT has said smaller arenas help people get to know each other. Large squads -- that (probably) know their members well have trouble flying together. Is there a way that both needs can be met? Sure!

Think about a pickup football game. When a bunch of friends get together for a fun time, do they all expect to be on the same side? Do you get 20 guys all on the same side of the ball becaiuse "we're friends"? Ridiculous! Tehy play each other, they trry to best each other, they complement good plays. And they have fun doing it.

Same thing would work here. That solution can meet everyone's needs. Megasquads can go into "scrimmage" mode and have a blast, if they're willing to be just a little flexible. Doing that helps everyone else too, and as HT has said, ebery game starts with even sides.

Try looking at it from the other side -

1) Game is never, EVER, EVER going to have even sides, nature of the beast.
2) Most squads prefer to fight together, unless in the DA for a laugh.
3) There isn't even a middle ground in the current setup - people either like or hate it.
4) It just doesn't affect mega squads, real pain trying to log in to be a part of SQUAD NIGHT, to keep getting the host connection lost message. (only 10 squaddies on)

We've gone from an MA with no choice, to multiple arenas with coerced/no choices.

Fixed easily by removing the cap on the LW arena. You then have a choice.
Hell, remove the cap on all arenas, see what the community goes for.

[Panzullo]

Deleted=Thrown out sliding into homeplate!


Herblife
http://www.anthemwellness.com

[Shuffler]

Hitech is adjusting....

The difference between working at a company and owning one...
being willing to take that big step...

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Panzullo
Mostly if the "customer" has grown accustom to any type or mode of flying. New players wont notice this and will just integrate.

For the longer term players here a year or longer and the ones that have formed friendships in the squads it has destroyed the atmosphere.

-=SNIPPAGE=-

But the method it was done appears HTC is looking for mass influx related to the new movie "Fly Boys" due to be released and will focus on the new accounts that have no clue of the old arena.

Just have to mention the irony I see here in what you posted.

See, many of us had grown accustomed to having "fights" in AH against human opponents that maneuvered and shot back not just toolsheds. I'd say if you came to AH within the last three to four years that you are the one's who don't know how it used to be, and that it is you who have intergrated into the horde mentality, which we real old timers see as "destroying the atmosphere" (your term). There were three influxes of people into AH; first one was the slow demise of WB, second was the faster demise of AW, third was the influx from the commercials on the history/military channels. Each influx brought change to the environment of the MA, and gameplay slowly but steadilly degraded, until last week when it was put back to the way it used to be (for a large part).

There is still the ability to up any plane you want in the LW arena as long as your chesspeice does not significantly outnumber the other chesspeices. You really have not lost anything, you are being coerced into learning a new way to play is all.

(note: I think the side-switching limits need to be relaxed drastically since you can get into an ENY problem through no fault of your own and are restricted from changing sides to even things out)

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Edbert
Just have to mention the irony I see here in what you posted.

See, many of us had grown accustomed to having "fights" in AH against human opponents that maneuvered and shot back not just toolsheds. I'd say if you came to AH within the last three to four years that you are the one's who don't know how it used to be, and that it is you who have intergrated into the horde mentality, which we real old timers see as "destroying the atmosphere" (your term). There were three influxes of people into AH; first one was the slow demise of WB, second was the faster demise of AW, third was the influx from the commercials on the history/military channels. Each influx brought change to the environment of the MA, and gameplay slowly but steadilly degraded, until last week when it was put back to the way it used to be (for a large part).

There is still the ability to up any plane you want in the LW arena as long as your chesspeice does not significantly outnumber the other chesspeices. You really have not lost anything, you are being coerced into learning a new way to play is all.

(note: I think the side-switching limits need to be relaxed drastically since you can get into an ENY problem through no fault of your own and are restricted from changing sides to even things out)

Yup it's all my fault, I seen the commercial about 4 years ago.

How about just removing the cap which is contributing to the imbalance.

Think about it -
Guys who would normally log off to go do something probably now go AFK for exteneded periods in case they can't get back in.
Works against both the high and low numbered teams.

Or whats next -
HOST: You have now been in this arena too long and are being logged out.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Edbert

(note: I think the side-switching limits need to be relaxed drastically since you can get into an ENY problem through no fault of your own and are restricted from changing sides to even things out)

when you're a jet, you're a jet to the end.

well, no, actually, i agree on the side switch part...but i can also see where that might cause intelligence issues.

schitzo running around...i'm zee german, no, i am britsh, no, wait...uh...

[pluck]

Originally posted by Kev367th


Or whats next -
HOST: You have now been in this arena too long and are being logged out.

good idea, there are games that will log you out for inactivity.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Killjoy2
I again suggest one arena with three features.

Fighter Town

Tank Town

Historical Town

Historical town gives us early war and mid war setups.  You could even set it for historical rivals.  How difficult is this?

The dedicated dweeb-squads would bring in Lancs and flatten everything that wasnt dedicated to battling buildings and undefended bases

[SuperDud]

I like the new set up. Those who say it'll destroy the community either:

A) Never played AW which had the best communtiy I've ever seen.

B) Are poopy heads.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by Panzullo
Deleted=Thrown out sliding into homeplate!


Herblife
http://www.iamabigloser.com

Man you either have big brass balls or are mind-blowingly stupid, going back in and re-editing something hitech deleted.

See ya.

[RipT327]

OK HTC I say you need to FIX this Crap Or I and im sure a Good chunk of others WILL TAKE THEIR SCATTAGORIES and Play Somewhere Else!  I Pay just like everyone else, WHY CANT I GET INTO the Arena I would like to Join.  I dont want to go fly in the Early Arena cuz I dont want to SEE 100 Hurricaines flyin around. I dont want to fly in Mid Arena cuz there are only 50 people on.  I want into the Late arena 1  Obviously because its just like MA except it can only HOld 250 players but...........Of course it is maxed out and can't get in and Low and behold when you try and join it ,, it says HOST CONNECTION Loss and CLoses out the GAME how GAY is that?
And I dont want to fly in Late Arena 2 cuz why again 50 players BORING!!!!
I have been playing this game faithfully EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR 2yrs now.  This is the Worst thing I have seen done to this AWESOME GAME> Please keep reading that was my VENT! Now on with some points and Measures/

But Since this new Format I see a decrease in the number of players by atleast  150 players this cant be good for business.  The majority of Players want to fly in an arena where all available planes are available. The numbers in the Late arena PROVE That! why Sacrifice the the Majority for 150 subscribers that want to fly their little slow no killin give me assists planes.  What happend to the dayz of MAJORITY RULES is this a thing of the past?  

On another note I found it to be very discouraging to enter the Mid arena just for the TT map.  To get in there after the first time I was killed I get a minimum 10 eny And I cant even Up a Panzer so I have to up a t34 which of course doesnt stand a chance against the 3 panzers and 5 tigers we are up against. then I finally get panzer back for a few kills then another death low and behold a minimum of 20 ENY  there were less than 60 people in the arena we had 28, knits had 17 and bish had 21 we were the only ones with ENY cap. WTF is that!  I Play This game for a good time If I wanted put up with a bunch of hassle and discouragement I would be in the living ROOM with my WIFE But on a serious note I dont want to Leave this GAME cuz im addicted to it and I enjoy hangin out with Online buddies.  Now had this been a Free game Then I would feel like I have no say in what happens to it.  But WE the Paying Customers whatever the cost .50 cents per day or 50 dollars a day we are still paying customers.  Customer Service is my Occupation by choice.  And as far as I can see Saying This is for the greater Good of "OUR" HTC  Game we dont care if we lose one veteren to 5 Newbs that is not Customer Service..Who do you think brings in the Newbs I bet its safe to Say its the Vets Talking to there Freinds...  Yes Games Evolve Yes Some cant handle Change Yes Change is Good but not when it Discourages or Aggravates We are People just tryin to have a good time.  If people want to fly Old planes against Old planes let them do it on another server but why Sacrifice the Majority of the Other playes that dont care about What year a Plane was Used  MOST of us dont just fly one plane day in and Day out.  Alot of us might fly a Hurricaine one minute then jump in a Niki or a Zeke the next etc etc.  We just want an action packed game that gives a thrill a minute and challenges us in all directions.  A good virtual pilot will adapt and overcome disadvantages whether  it be me flyin an A6m against an La 7 I live for those moments when I get to Kill that la7 with my Zeke and brag about it to my Friends.

   All in all this is still the best Flyin  game on the NET.  However there really needs to be some reconsideration of the Latest Changes.  I say Screw the Jury and Listen to the PEOPLE!