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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2001, 03:16:00 AM »
 I've never owned a pair of Nike,S. And I couldn't care less about the company. But I cant help but wonder if that 10 year old, Vietnamese, girl might not go hungry without a job. Something the do-gooders never seem to think about.

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2001, 11:00:00 AM »
I saw something in the news about Nike the other day. something about how many of the slav..workers.  I dont remember the exact numbers but the number of workers who have either experenced or witnessed sexual harassment, physical abuse, and verbal abuse were suprisingly high.

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2001, 11:04:00 AM »
Yep I saw that too on NakedNews.

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2001, 10:47:00 PM »
 
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I've never owned a pair of Nike,S. And I couldn't care less about the company. But I cant help but wonder if that 10 year old, Vietnamese, girl might not go hungry without a job. Something the do-gooders never seem to think about.

read your own post again and think about it real hard...

10 year old ? There are millions of unemployed capable men looking for work in that region and 10 year old girls are hired instead... would you let your 10 year old child work in a factory for 12 and sometimes more hours a day with conditions barely different from concentration camp ?

If Nike was hiring any of the unemployed ADULTS in the region so that they could provide for their families - i wouldn't have much problem with it... but since when should a 10 year old be a bread winner for a family ?

Did you know that in Indonesia they have something of an equivalent of our minimal wage. It's something so miniscule that one pair shoes could pay wages of 100s of people. Yet, NIKE pays less then that. Just think about it..... they spend gozzilions of dollars on big names in advatising, and extra few cents ( we're talkin in cents not dollars per hour wages here lads ) will kill them ?
It's a licence to destroy people's lifes and resoning of "at least they have a job" that makes me wonder if human race is heading back for the trees....


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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2001, 02:20:00 AM »
 And you would replace this childs rice bowl with what? Good intentions.

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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2001, 04:43:00 AM »
Heh, no, let's have an incentive to keep these guys poor  

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2001, 05:18:00 AM »
If Nike and others weren't there, why those people would have to subsistance farm, and then they'd get enough to eat.  We can't have that, oh no, that would be terrible.

They should have to starve while working for big western corporations that will then charge $150.00 US for a lousy pair of shoes that cost them $9.70 US in materials and $0.30 US in labor to manufacture.

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The idea that these corporations are helping those people is something we like to tell ourselves so that we can sleep at night.

Why would they help those people?  It is against the finacial interests of these corporations to do so.  If they helped the children get an education, where would their future workforce come from?

No, they need cheap labor and they will make sure that they keep getting it.

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »
 Its always the same with liberials. They wrap themselves in moral indignation, and go off half cocked. Then when they go off to save the hairy kneed camel, or whatever there next cause is, they leave behind a bigger mess than they found.

 At the end of WW2, west Germany enjoyed a period of growth, and prosparity, that east Germany did not even approch.

 Today, the average south Korean, lives a lifestyle, that his counterpart in north Korea can only dream about.

 If the liberials had let the U.S. military do its job 30 years ago. Today, Odds are, that little Vietnamise girl wouldnt need Nike,s job to eat.


 

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2001, 05:08:00 PM »
I don't like the Nike style of management either. I don't buy their shoes. I think they need to improve the way they treat these overseas employees. Nike is not the only corporation doing it either. It's not just the corporations of any one particular developed country, either.

All that notwithstanding, somebody explain to me why people take these jobs at such low pay and benefits.

The idea that they would be living a nice life while subsistence farming won't float. The people who take these jobs generally don't own or otherwise have access to arable land.

No, these workers are generally drawn from the most destitute of the poor. While the fact that there are so many of those is indeed a sad thing, that isn't Nike's fault. Nike et al are taking advantage of an existing situation.

<For 10 points and a free spin of the wheel, name the ancient philospher who said:  "The Poor You Have With You Always.">

The simple fact remains that Nike and other corporations just like Nike have no trouble hiring all the folks they need for a truly miserable wage.

We know what Nike and the rest get out of it.

Now please explain to me why the people take such crummy jobs.

If you answer honestly, you will have begun to understand the real problem.

It isn't Nike. Nike is merely a by-product of the real problem.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2001, 05:12:00 PM »
Easymo, bubba,

I don't know of any Vietnamese Nike factories.  They DO have factories in Indonisia though.  When were we in Indonisia?  Oh, thats right, Conservatives like to assume that big corporations have their workers best interests in mind and then say things with out doing any research to find out what is true.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2001, 06:04:00 PM »
 http://www.saigon.com/~nike/news/ny110897.htm

"New York Times, Front Page
November 8, 1997
Nike Shoe Plant in Vietnam Is Called Unsafe for Workers
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE

...In an inspection report that was prepared in January for the company's internal use only, Ernst & Young wrote that workers at the factory near Ho Chi Minh City were exposed to carcinogens that exceeded local legal standards by 177 times in parts of the plant and that 77 percent of the employees suffered from respiratory problems. The report also said that employees at the site, which is owned and operated by a Korean subcontractor, were forced to work 65 hours a week, far more than Vietnamese law allows, for $10 a week."

As I said, I'm no fan of Nike or other corporations like them.

However, Karnak, I did have to chuckle when I read:

"I don't know of any Vietnamese Nike factories.....Conservatives.. .say things with out doing any research to find out what is true."

It's just the conservatives, then?  

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2001, 06:38:00 PM »
 Toad, you fool. Dont you know liberials are born with all the knowledge they will ever need. The rest of us have to get by as best we can.

 Meanwhile these children are being badly abused. Take 5 minutes and email your congressman. Tell him to put his foot up a Nike exeutives ass. They can pay a fair wage.

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2001, 09:28:00 PM »
I never buy Nike anyway....can't see paying so high a price for the nike nametag which I figure on average costs about 60 bucks.  Nope, never have and never WILL now.
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2001, 10:03:00 PM »
I don't know about the Nike case, but part of my job requires me to visit factories in China, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Phillipines, Pakistan, and now just recently Vietnam.

Some we own, some we don't.

I can tell you this, as a person who visits these sites 3 to 4 times a year:

1.) The jobs our factories offer these areas are highly sought after and do improve the people's lives.

2.) I learned a while back, you cannot take our very HIGH work and other standards and instantly transpose them onto these people and their cultures.

3.) People who have never visited these places, and who have never done so on a regular basis, seem to have the "most informed" opinions.

4.) "Most" US owned or partnership factories do have and live by higher standards then the factories owned by the local governments or businessmen.  The corporate oversight insures this is the case, or it is so with the companies I have worked for.


5.) It is naive to think we can tell government owned facilities how to run their businesses.

6.) With the companies that we sell to, our factories and vendors are required to submit to surprise inspections.

7.) The good factories do provide good wages (for the regional area) and good working conditions and good housing.  You know why?  Because its good business.  

Karnak, Have you ever been to any of these places and visit the factories regularly??  I have and do.  And when I see violations, I pull my business.  But I do not pretend to think that my values are the same as theirs.

Toad is also correct, that whole farmer scenerio is bust.  Land is simply not available to them to own, AND they would rather work at a factory then toil behind an ox in a field.  I've seen this with my own eyes!  

So maybe we should have John Deere just donate tractors all over the world to these people because farming with an ox is cruel and cannot be allowed.  And believe me, they work in the fields at 10 yrs old.  At least at a factory you have a chance to monitor and catch any of these abuses.  

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