Potential of some German Plans in AH

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Originally posted by Charge
What about the 190A8? It is supposed to be a "fighter", too.

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The A8 is best used as a field capper (sooo much 20mm) or buff killer with its twin 30mm and twin 20mm.  I've flown it as a fighter and it's hard to do anything other than b'n'z with it, just bleeds e too fast.

[Charge]

"In the game, do spitfire blackout more easily than 109s?"

I think HT said once that all planes have same black-out model. So the answer is no. Its elevator is not sensitive either, in fact I think it was made even more sluggish at some point, on the other hand that might be my contoller configurations fault...

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[Reynolds]

I think that needs to be fixed, because that is a MAJOR factor. If one pilot can pull a harder maneuver without blacking out, he has a VERY large advantage. Its just mr Tuck mentioned how severe of an advantage it was, and how they could just crank on the hard maneuvers.

[Charge]

Well, it's just not going to happen.

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[Reynolds]

So sad. I remember trying to use it to my advantage when I started the game, and I couldnt for the life of me figure out why it never worked!

[Angus]

Originally posted by Reynolds
Im curious. In the game, do spitfire blackout more easily than 109s? The 109 should black out after the spitfire because due to the configuration of the cockpit, your feet are higher up un the rudder pedals than in the spit, thus keeping your blood closer together? Im going by memory on a report Bob Tuck gave after flying a 109 after the war, so a few details could be wrong, but basically, is it modeled?

Racecar sitting is what Gunther Rall said to me once. Yes you are tilted backwards a little and it helps, - the 190 was more so.
The British fighters had stepped rudder pedals for the same purpose, so you could get your feet higher.
Another side about their rudder layout, at least on the Hurricane, is that you could lock a foot in the pedals, so you could use a leg with a pulling force. That was a lesson learned in WW1, where leg wounds were common.
So, with one leg going numb, you could still use the rudder.
Lots of little things like that.
BTW, the 109 was not so easy to pull into total blackout, while the Spit could swiftly get a  lot of G's. Elevator issue.
The overly accurate C of G in early Spit Mk V would sometimes accelerate into 12-15G or so, disintergrading the aircraft.

[Reynolds]

Were the early spits configured like this? I beleive mr Tuck was shot down shortly after the XIV came out. But yeah. I still wish 'diving out' was a real option. How exactly does it work, because I dont seem to be able to pull it off effectivly. Lets assume im in a G-14 against a late-war plane set. What the **** do I do to NOT get bounced?

[Angus]

Tuck was shot down (flak) well before the introduction of the Mk XIV.
BTW, Tuck once fought Adolf Galland in a 2 vs 2 situation. Tuck shot down Gallands Wingman, and vice versa.
Tuck got hit in the cooler by flak BTW, - he strafed the gun before ditching (or was it baling) and had a hit through one of the barrels, destroying the gun.
Tuck met Galland later on in captivity, and then they became friends after the war.
Tuck also was one of the first to "welcome" Gunther Rall when he was shipped to England, - captivity and briefing again.
(Now that was a true Gentleman Rall said)

As to your speculation of the G-14, it is awesome with acceleration and climb, as well as a decent turner. But towards a late war plane set, you will have many that are as good or better in many of those categories, so it all depends. Depends on altitude as well
Best way is to try all possible planes and tactics against everything.

[Charge]

I think Tuck was shot down flying IX.

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[Reynolds]

Originally posted by Angus
Tuck was shot down (flak) well before the introduction of the Mk XIV.
BTW, Tuck once fought Adolf Galland in a 2 vs 2 situation. Tuck shot down Gallands Wingman, and vice versa.
Tuck got hit in the cooler by flak BTW, - he strafed the gun before ditching (or was it baling) and had a hit through one of the barrels, destroying the gun.
Tuck met Galland later on in captivity, and then they became friends after the war.
Tuck also was one of the first to "welcome" Gunther Rall when he was shipped to England, - captivity and briefing again.
(Now that was a true Gentleman Rall said)

As to your speculation of the G-14, it is awesome with acceleration and climb, as well as a decent turner. But towards a late war plane set, you will have many that are as good or better in many of those categories, so it all depends. Depends on altitude as well
Best way is to try all possible planes and tactics against everything.

Yes the flak. Shredded the guys who got him with a lucky shot. I just seem to remember him mentioning the way the XIV felt, the torque differences and the like in one of his books. And I plan to use the G-14 primarily for the next two weeks, so I am looking for tricks with that one particularly. But how does the 'dive out' thing work? nose down, WEP and just hope the manual trim will get you out in time?

[MiloMorai]

But how does the 'dive out' thing work? nose down, WEP and just hope the manual trim will get you out in time?

You shouldn't be able to use WEP as the motor will blowup.

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
You shouldn't be able to use WEP as the motor will blowup.

Well, I dont WEP it down, because chances are I am already only 5,000- AGL, but I go full throttle, prepare to manually trim and hope he just isnt smart enough to do the same.

[Angus]

If it's a Spit on your tail he'll always recovevr better.
Your chance is from a much higher altitude.

In a low alt fight the G-14 excelles at acceleration from power and then climb.

[Karnak]

Tuck was flying a Mk V on a 'Rhubarb' on Jan. 28, 1942 and chased a train into a valley that had AA on both sides.  His Spit took a round through the engine that stopped the Merlin instantly.  He was too low to bail and had to find a place to ditch, the field he found had a truck with a quad-20mm mount on the far side.  When the truck tried to shoot down his obviously disabled fighter (gliding silently, prop stopped) he got pissed and lined up on the truck and gave it a good burst from his 20mm cannons, one round of which entered the barrel of one cannon on the truck, peeling it back like a banana. He then ditched and was captured.  He escaped in 1945 and made his way to the Russian lines.

A few years ago his kill total was raised to 31 as two of his "probables" were confirmed.

Robert Standford Tuck died in 1987.

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by Karnak
Tuck was flying a Mk V on a 'Rhubarb' on Jan. 28, 1942 and chased a train into a valley that had AA on both sides.  His Spit took a round through the engine that stopped the Merlin instantly.  He was too low to bail and had to find a place to ditch, the field he found had a truck with a quad-20mm mount on the far side.  When the truck tried to shoot down his obviously disabled fighter (gliding silently, prop stopped) he got pissed and lined up on the truck and gave it a good burst from his 20mm cannons, one round of which entered the barrel of one cannon on the truck, peeling it back like a banana. He then ditched and was captured.  He escaped in 1945 and made his way to the Russian lines.

A few years ago his kill total was raised to 31 as two of his "probables" were confirmed.

Robert Standford Tuck died in 1987.

You forgot his polish friend who escaped with him

But yeah, thats a rather paraphrased excerpt of what I remember. I couldnt remember whether the germans who captured him were on about the shot piercing the barrel, or hitting the people crewing it (Couldnt remember which it was that the cannon round hit)


So, at low level, after a dive, climb. But a steep climb? 50 degrees plus? or a gentle one, more around 30?