Author Topic: Ding Dong the Hoard is dead.... (Read 4359 times)

Toad · « **Reply #120 on:** September 23, 2006, 09:17:21 PM »

Nopoop,

There have been some really great evenings in the EW. Good fights, good comraderie on boths sides of said fights; good times had by all.

However, it isn't a lock. The old behaviors that made such a mess out of the MA still rear their ugly heads from time to time. Overall though, I've very happy with the change.

The MA had pretty much choked off the old edge of your chair, sweat in your eyes, adrenaline rush fights. You can still find those in the EW now; not every night, not every flight...but they're there... and it's worth it. The trend I've noticed is that lower numbers produce more fun.

I'm thinking of trying the MW next week. Numbers are generally lower in there and I have a feeling that is a key to good fighting.

In the early glory days of AH 50-60 in an arena made for really good times. That seems to be the average in the MW so I'm going to check it out, even though the EW planeset is more to my liking.

BTW, HT, I think you should probably slide the P-38 and the Fw-190 out of EW into MW. Just my .02; the style they encourage is not a real good fit for EW.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #121 on:** September 23, 2006, 10:18:55 PM »

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BTW, HT, I think you should probably slide the P-38 and the Fw-190 out of EW into MW. Just my .02; the style they encourage is not a real good fit for EW.

That goes for the HurricaneIIC, C.202, ME-109F as well. If they were introduced in the time period, leave 'em.

Kev367th · « **Reply #122 on:** September 23, 2006, 10:23:50 PM »

Hurricane IIc-
First flew 6 Feb 41
Entered service - late spring 41

Definately EW arena.

Be much easier if they just said -
EW - 1940/1
MW - 1942/3
LW - 1944/5

No subs, no stand-ins.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #123 on:** September 23, 2006, 10:56:52 PM »

CC, Kev, my thoughts directly. P-38's and FW-190's were flying in late '41-early '42. They were P-38E's and F's, and FW-190A-3's and A-4's. The problem with the split, is that it shows how incomplete(read:unprepared) AH was for an EW arena. To be even close, you would need:
Fairey Battle.
Gloster Gladiator.
Brewster F2A.
Boulton-Paul Defiant.
Armstrong-Whitworth whitley.
Short Stirling.
Vickers Wellington.
Bell P-39D.
Boeing B17B,C,D,E.
B-25C.
Lavochkin LaGG-3.
MiG-1 and 3.
HE-111.
Do-17Z.
Fiat Cr.42.
Seatta S.200
Henschel HS-123
Ju-52
.....

I'm not trying to post a wishlist. I'm just trying to point out that we have an insufficient planeset to make EW truly enticing.

Kev367th · « **Reply #124 on:** September 24, 2006, 02:06:44 AM »

Both our Spit IX (1942) and 190A5 (1943?) shouldn't even be in the EW arena, unless, I guess they are just there to flesh out the pitiful planeset.

Toad · « **Reply #125 on:** September 24, 2006, 09:23:34 AM »

For those that don't know me, the following are just my thoughts and contributions to the topic. They are not demands issued to HTC with the business end of a credit card pointed at them.

I love EW. These are just my personal thoughts on making it better. You may agree or disagree and it won't bother me.

Anyway.

Without the success of the EW arena, there would be no reason for HTC to even consider expanding the EW part of the planeset as listed above.

Those aircraft would see little if any use in the old MA. Those aircraft would be a clear waste of resources.

Now that we have an EW there might be incentive for working on this part of the planeset.

It's possible/probable the dividing lines between EW/MW/LW will see some tweaking. Date of service is just one possible determinant. Performance (climb/top speed) is another way to sort them into reasonably competitive groups.

The P-38G (11/42) and the Fw-190-A5 (6/43) are not good fits in our present EW. Their performance clearly outclasses, by a large amount, almost every other plane in the EW planeset.

They are used primarily as energy (B&Z) fighters there and like it or not most people that enjoy the EW planeset are probably turnfighters. In short, these planes are used primarily to cherry pick the kind of fights that most people come to the EW to find. Both of these aircraft are much better fits with the MW planeset.

The Hurri II OTOH fits right into the planeset by performance standards. It's merely a competitive airframe amongst many. It's the guns that set it apart; it has become the La-7 of the EW, used by those that just want to blow through with guns blazing. I'd simply perk it pretty steeply and leave it in. (As an aside, wouldn't bother me in the least if all perks were reset to zero since we are hopefully starting an entirely new version of AH playstyle.)

As for the others mentioned:

C-202 (11/41) Leave it. Good airframe balanced by weak guns; it fits.

Bf-109F-4 (6/41) Leave it. Another good airframe, average guns and it clearly fits the timeframe of some of the most interesting (to EW fans) air battles of the war.

Spitfire IX (7/42) This is another one on the line, leaning MW. It's performance is better than most of the rest and it has very good armament for the time period. I'd probably perk it pretty high and see how that worked first. If it became unbalancing, I think it could be moved to MW without much problem.

In summation, yeah, the EW could use more EW aircraft. It seems obvious to me though that unless there is demand it would be a waste for HTC to spend the time to make them. The EW arena provides the necessary demand IF it remains a popular arena.

I think it's undeniable that most go to the EW to turnfight. As a result, I'd move the energy fighters to the MW. Clearly, the P-38G and Fw-190A5 are being used that way in the EW; move 'em out.

To control the HO-only crowd, I'd perk the Hurri IIC pretty heavily. Because the Spit V, vis-a-vis the rest of the EW planeset, borders on an energy fighter by performance I'd perk it lightly.

Just my thoughts. Feel free to disagree.

lazs2 · « **Reply #126 on:** September 24, 2006, 09:30:49 AM »

leaving on vacation.. wrote some posts before I read this thread.

Forget about the rule. It's out there one way or the other. I won't bring it up again.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

jollyFE · « **Reply #127 on:** September 24, 2006, 11:47:43 AM »

I want to apologize to HT on the BBS in public, my last post was done in public and not very professional. If I wanted to voice my opinion to HT I should have done it in an e-mail. I was just annoyed by all the posts which vilified my squad and buddies.

So HT I would like to take back my post earlier in this thread. I still don't agree with both the changes and how they were implemented, but it ain't my game so I will deal with it. So far out of the 3 arenas I have found the EW the least painful.

By the way, what number makes a horde in the new arena set up.

JollyFE
(the jolly in my name doesn't refer to my nature but my job. Combat rescue Helicopter Flight Engineer HH-60G USAF aka the Jolly Greens)

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #128 on:** September 24, 2006, 12:02:30 PM »

I'd have to agree with you on almost everything, Toad. The real problem with the planeset(It was really bad in the old AvA and scenarios) Is the fact that we have later model Stand-ins for the proper aircraft.If the P-38G was in fact an E or F model, Such as what was used in N.Africa, Or the 190 was an A-3. The only thing is, we should not discount any plane's because of they're ability if they fit the time period. The HurriII is well armed, but it's not a turn fighter.If it came into service near the end of our 'EW' period, so if it belongs, unfair advantage or not, we should keep it.

Kev367th · « **Reply #129 on:** September 24, 2006, 12:03:17 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Laz2: While I agree fairly well with your assestment.

Please stop beating your head into a wall, because I think we both agree do to the recentent changes certain things have become inevitble. So no use continuing to pushing it in there faces, you just might be slowing down the inevitble.

HiTech

And this is?

If it's splitting large squads, or MAKING them changes sides, or MAKING them spilt across sides, I think your wrong.

If they can't get in as a whole to one arena, they'll go to another.

People ask for adaptation, best get ready for it if your in the EW or MW arenas.

Shane · « **Reply #130 on:** September 26, 2006, 01:37:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Actually i believe it was Shane that first used the term in AH...and he spelt it Hoard! We are just tryin to keep the tradition

nuh uh... if anything, i know how to spell. and use the proper words in proper context.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #131 on:** September 26, 2006, 02:08:27 PM »

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The HurriII is well armed, but it's not a turn fighter.

Next time I'll proofread a little better. Meant to say It's not THAT uber.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #132 on:** September 26, 2006, 11:21:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
nuh uh... if anything, i know how to spell. and use the proper words in proper context.

I wondered where the heck you have been.

Welcome back.

Stang · « **Reply #133 on:** September 26, 2006, 11:34:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
nuh uh... if anything, i know how to spell. and use the proper words in proper context.

Where the Harr have you been?

hubsonfire · « **Reply #134 on:** September 27, 2006, 01:03:43 AM »

Harr isn't bad 3 on 1. He's not very good, either.