Author Topic: Royal Society tells Exxon: stop funding climate change denial (Read 4628 times)

Angus · « **Reply #120 on:** October 02, 2006, 03:26:12 AM »

WTG AKH!!!!

While indeed the graphs show a gloomy picture, they also point out that something can be done, and some countries are doing something.
We're not into deforestation yet, just fossil emissions. The only continent who is on the right balance in deforestation, - that is, is NOT loosing forests any more, is - - - Europe.

straffo · « **Reply #121 on:** October 02, 2006, 05:37:30 AM »

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I'm all for nuclear power but I'm wondering how that's gonna work out for Europe once terrorists decide to make France's nuke plants a target. Could get pretty uninhabitable there in a hurry.

According to what I've learned in this BBS France is already uninhabitable .

Angus · « **Reply #122 on:** October 02, 2006, 05:57:35 AM »

That's just because of the guys and the Garlic

The femmes and wine is still all fine

lazs2 · « **Reply #123 on:** October 02, 2006, 08:31:10 AM »

hmmm.. interesting charts.. the global climate change... we are talking what? 2 degree incriments here? sometimes half a degree or less? can you just see the "scientist" in 100 AD holding out his hand and saying "yep... half a degree warmer than it was last year"? laughable.

Co2 variations... it is "proven" that there never were higher levels? I don't think so. I have also heard that despite the "proven" theory of how the greenhouse works... in real life.... higher levels of Co2 allways follow global warming not preceed it. By your charts we are well on our way to recovery.

fossil fuel usage and conversion... availability and productivity... it is complicated but I would not mind if we did put in a lot more nuke plants.

Soo... lot's of charts. none mean much. It is a fact that putting fresh water into the ocean pollutes it... the oceans health is vital to the survival of the planet... If I showed you charts on how much water we are putting into the ocean compared to years eons ago.... if the graph showed huge spikes... what would you have us do?

What would you have us do about global warming? How much of it is man made? where is that chart? If we made all the charts go the opposite way they are going now.... how many seconds would it shave off the natural global warming cycle we are in?

That is the question... Where is that/those charts? How much are we adding and how much would it change the natural global warming cycle we are in right now if we reduced Co2 to nothing?

how many minutes or seconds would it save?

lazs

Angus · « **Reply #124 on:** October 02, 2006, 10:35:33 AM »

Lots of charts mean nothing for the one who can not understand them.
It's like letters from the alphabet, a book doesn't say or prove anything if you can't read.
Not to mention if you can't even see the book.

lukster · « **Reply #125 on:** October 02, 2006, 12:14:57 PM »

One could easily interpret the temperature chart to mean that industry staved off an ice age. If true, perhaps it's not too late to get that ice age going again if we shut down all industry.

Thrawn · « **Reply #126 on:** October 02, 2006, 12:24:37 PM »

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One could easily interpret the temperature chart to mean that industry staved off an ice age. If true, perhaps it's not too late to get that ice age going again if we shut down all industry.

What I find facinating is the bizarre logical convolutions you had to through to draw such a ****ed up conclusion.

hey lukster, it's possible to interpret that raised heart rated experienced during an orgasm might be an indictator of a potential heart attack....so lets all cut off our dicks to prevent it.

lukster · « **Reply #127 on:** October 02, 2006, 12:33:11 PM »

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What I find facinating is the bizarre logical convolutions you had to through to draw such a ****ed up conclusion.

hey lukster, it's possible to interpret that raised heart rated experienced during an orgasm might be an indictator of a potential heart attack....so lets all cut off our dicks to prevent it.

Bizarre? How so? Many have said we are due an ice age. How do you know that wasn't it?

You guys are taking this global warming crap way too seriously.

Shuffler · « **Reply #128 on:** October 02, 2006, 12:49:34 PM »

Why worry about the temperature, aliens will inhabit the earth, they will all speak spanish!

AKH · « **Reply #129 on:** October 02, 2006, 01:10:11 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
hmmm.. interesting charts.. the global climate change... we are talking what? 2 degree incriments here? sometimes half a degree or less? can you just see the "scientist" in 100 AD holding out his hand and saying "yep... half a degree warmer than it was last year"? laughable.

Classic.

Thrawn · « **Reply #130 on:** October 02, 2006, 01:45:14 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
hmmm.. interesting charts.. the global climate change... we are talking what? 2 degree incriments here? sometimes half a degree or less? can you just see the "scientist" in 100 AD holding out his hand and saying "yep... half a degree warmer than it was last year"? laughable.

You mocking this just exposes your continued ignorance of the topic, it doesn't invalidate the data.

This has been discussed like a billion times on this BBS. Climatologists use ice-core samples to determine annual temperatures from ages ago.

lukster · « **Reply #131 on:** October 02, 2006, 02:38:24 PM »

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You mocking this just exposes your continued ignorance of the topic, it doesn't invalidate the data.

This has been discussed like a billion times on this BBS. Climatologists use ice-core samples to determine annual temperatures from ages ago.

Which have shown many dramatic and unexplained temperature changes throughout the last several thousand years.

lazs2 · « **Reply #132 on:** October 02, 2006, 02:53:35 PM »

we are talking tempreture changes that the scientists admit that they can only estimate by looking at core samples... certainly not down to 1/2 a degree in 50 or more years.

look at the scale fer chris sakes... it is less than 2 degrees in temp covering thousands of years. the scale is such that if it were in 1 degree incriments it would be a frigging.......

flat line.

this is panic mongering in the extreme..

nothing to explain any of the other changes before or during... No answers to how much is normal climate change and what is not..

thrawn actually hit it pretty close with his analodgy..

the charts and graphs are a doctor looking at elevated heart rate durring sex and recomending cutting off a mans noodle to save him from a heart attack.

lazs

Angus · « **Reply #133 on:** October 02, 2006, 06:07:45 PM »

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Originally posted by lukster
One could easily interpret the temperature chart to mean that industry staved off an ice age. If true, perhaps it's not too late to get that ice age going again if we shut down all industry.

WOT?
FYI, the isage ended a very long time before industrialization began.
Actually, the industrial age amounts to something very much smaller in a proper measure from the time since the end of the ise age than some 1% . So, if you want to run a graph comparing CO2, industrialization and warming, they'll dance side by side. Ice age was way before.
Funny isn't it, - and Lazs, - 1 or 2 degrees Celcius on a global scale at the before PREDICTED speed are enormous. So, instead hacking at the donut, it's perhaps time for the head.

And the bonus, - Ice core samples are used, fossils, tree cores (fossilized as well as not, - there are trees about older than Jesus), then history and animal distribution. Those form a picture of the temperatures of the years after the iceage with somewhat decent accuracy.

Elfie · « **Reply #134 on:** October 03, 2006, 01:29:59 AM »

I just find it ironic that an English society feels the need to try to tell a company in another country what they should/should not fund.