Author Topic: Ok, voter ID is discrimination... (Read 936 times)

bj229r · « **on:** September 21, 2006, 06:42:11 AM »

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060921-123316-5086r.htm

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The Federal Election Integrity Act was approved on a nearly party-line 228-196 vote. Republicans backed the bill 224-3, with three nonvoters; Democrats opposed it 192-4, with five nonvoters. They were joined in opposition by the House's one independent member.
The bill, which faces an uncertain future in the Senate, is part of a Republican effort to complete before the November elections a package of proposals aimed at curbing illegal immigration and its effects on ordinary Americans.
The so-called "Voter ID" bill, aimed at stamping out voter fraud, would require voters in federal elections to provide picture identification by 2008 and provide proof of U.S. citizenship by 2010. It was among the recommendations made last year by the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, headed by former President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, and former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, a Republican.
"Effective voter registration and voter identification are bedrocks of a modern election system," they wrote in their final report.
But Democrats, siding with groups that work on behalf of minorities and illegal aliens, called the bill a "modern-day poll tax" and said it would place an insurmountable burden on voters and infringe upon their voting rights.

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A Republican cited a study by Johns Hopkins University that found 1,500 dead people who had voted in recent elections. Mr. Hoyer belittled the study, saying no criminal convictions for voter fraud had been won in any of those cases.
Mr. Bilbray pointed out that such convictions might be obtained if proper identification were required.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 21, 2006, 06:44:05 AM »

I agree. The dead should be able to vote also .

Eagler · « **Reply #2 on:** September 21, 2006, 07:03:06 AM »

Republicans backed the bill 224-3, with three nonvoters; Democrats opposed it 192-4, with five nonvoters

speaks volumes concerning who relies on voter fraud to get/stay elected and who doesn't ...
why are the dems worried about the illegal immigrant vote? since when can an illegal vote?

Goomba · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2006, 07:48:06 AM »

Picture ID or Proof of Citizenship constitutes a poll tax? Unfair to minorities? Frankly, I don't see how...Am I missing something?

Unfair to illegal aliens? Unfair to acknowledged criminals who aren't even citizens of this country? Why, 'cause border-jumping nationals of a foreign government don't get to vote in the US? That's just plain funny....

I like the idea. Voting is a priviledge, and a sacred duty, and not to be trifled with, nor to be made available to sneaky little felons who are defined by their blatant disrespect for the law.

Perhaps the Democratic Representatives feel we should extend Federal Voting Rights to...the entire human race, and let the globe decide how the US should be run. Let's call the Iranians, Syrians and Chinese first...then things'll get right around here, don'tcha think?

Eagler · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:00:54 AM »

if someone can't scrape up a picture id, then they don't deserve to vote
the ONLY reason someone would be against this is the fact that they rely on voter fraud for their numbers
I thought we did this already ... I have to show my drivers license at the polls

ASTAC · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:12:45 AM »

It's not like it's hard to get a picture ID either. They are cheap. Anyone who doesn't have one(who can get one) is just too lazy to go to their local DMV and wait in line.

Rameusb5 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:18:38 AM »

The fact that ALL the Republicans are for this and ALL the Democrats are against it tells me that the OP is leaving something out.

Unless you truly do think that the Dems are all dependant upon illegal votes...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:24:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Rameusb5
Unless you truly do think that the Dems are all dependant upon illegal votes...

BECAUSE THEY ****ING ARE!

Gunslinger · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2006, 08:38:41 AM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
It's not like it's hard to get a picture ID either. They are cheap. Anyone who doesn't have one(who can get one) is just too lazy to go to their local DMV and wait in line.

This was an issue in a southern state recently and the dems played the same race card. This was AFTER it was proposed to have a mobile ID processing unit that makes FREE ID cards for voting.

I'm still waiting to hear from the oposition on this board on how this is a modern day poll tax.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2006, 12:24:06 PM »

If the REAL ID Act of 2005 is finalized and passes, a picture ID is going to be required to board an aircraft or enter a federal building anyway. I see no problem with having to have one to vote.

J_A_B · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2006, 01:49:47 PM »

Why is it some people are okay with this "official ID" stuff, yet when you watch those old movies with the Nazi guys saying "Give me your papers!" it's always viewed as bad?

I'm not against this sort of measure because it's too much of a hassle (it isn't). I'm against it because it's unamerican.

As with so many issues, just enforcing the laws which are already in place would cure the problem the new measure supposedly solves. "It's not too much of a hassle" isn't a very good reason to support a new law when, once passed, that law will probably never go away.

J_A_B

Gunthr · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2006, 02:24:45 PM »

Isn't it obvious that using photo ID is a procedural necessity? How else can you determine that the voting requirements are met? How else do you keep the vote legitimate? BTW, I've been required to show photo ID since I was old enough to vote! What is the big deal?

Debonair · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2006, 02:33:26 PM »

unfair to the self concious ugly:furious

lazs2 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 21, 2006, 02:40:42 PM »

mexico requires photo ID and a fingerprint to vote.

They also shoot poeple trying to cross their southern borders.

lazs

Skuzzy · « **Reply #14 on:** September 21, 2006, 02:43:29 PM »

Hehe,..I remember in eight grade in the town I grew up in, the Vice Pricipal made naer daily speeches from the steps overlooking the courtyard area.

The speeches were in Mexican, but most of us understood it anyway. It was all about how the Mexicians would rise to power and take over from the White people of the state. And how Texas would again be part of Mexico.
It was about how they had already secured the city council and how any illegal could come to the city without fear of being sent back. He discussed how they could protect everyone moving there.

Part of how it as accomplished was through the use of dead people's ID's. When an illegal came to to vote, they would simply register him/her as some dead person. The votes would count. No one would audit, as they had already gain control of the local government.

His message was to tell thier p[arents about this so they could get as many familiy members and friends to move there as fast as they could.

Now that happened in 1967-68. When I asked about why the VP of the school could get away with making those speeches, I was told the board of directors of the school district had ordered those speeches to be made. So if the VP wanted to keep his job, he had to make them.
I also found it odd the press never once came to any school campus to report about those speeches. My parents tried to get media attention drawn to these things, but no one ever showed up or even called about it.

Odd that.