F4u

[jon]

Originally posted by Viking
"You are forgetting mixture. At military-power the F4U-4 runs at a very rich mixture to cool the cylinder heads and the charge mixture. At WEP the water injection does the same job so the engine can be run at a leaner mixture. Water injection does NOT add horsepower. It cools the charge mixture allowing for more fuel to be injected without detonation problems. More fuel adds horsepower."

Yes it does and i should not have said (gas), but water injection i belive was alcohol water injection.which is more fuel and used storage area on the aircraft.alky makes hp  but it uses about 2 times the volume as gasoline. even if it used less gasoline the volume of"FUEL"which included water and alky was not less.and if i"m wrong im sure i will hear about it

[KgB]

Originally posted by Saxman
Ooooh. It's going to be an execution!

Oh yeah.
p51 were ment to escort bombers and as you know latest 109's are fast but they fly like bricks,much like late 190's.

I never run from p51,even two of them but f4u's are always pain in the butt.

[Saxman]

I think you misinterpreted me. I meant that WIDEWING was going to be the executioner.

An La-7 has no business being above 15,000ft. She was built for the lower-altitude war of the Eastern Front while the P-51 was DESIGNED for high-altitude operation.

Someone really needs to film this. And post it.

[KgB]

Originally posted by Saxman
I think you misinterpreted me. I meant that WIDEWING was going to be the executioner.

An La-7 has no business being above 15,000ft. She was built for the lower-altitude war of the Eastern Front while the P-51 was DESIGNED for high-altitude operation.

Someone really needs to film this. And post it.

At 20k yes he will rape me,below 5-8k the opposite,
but how often do you see dog fight taking place above 5k anyway?

[Viking]

Originally posted by Saxman
An La-7 has no business being above 15,000ft. She was built for the lower-altitude war of the Eastern Front while the P-51 was DESIGNED for high-altitude operation.

I believe you are mistaken. The La-7's engine has a full throttle height of 20,000 feet. While I do agree that the La-7 is outmatched by the P-51 above 15k, the La was nevertheless designed to operate up to 20k, much like its German rivals.

[Squire]

I think any contest between a Tempest and an F4U-4 would greatly depend on pilot skill, and circumstance, certainly there is no reason that a well flown Temp couldnt down an F4U-4.  But alas, thats the nature of such things.

My money would be on the LA-7 vs a P-51D below 20k, again, all things being equal.

[Debonair]

lol i think the forum name should be changed to Corsairs & Vehicles

[SgtPappy]

Originally posted by Saxman
The thing with the F4U is that it's NOT a plane that will win you instant gratification the first time you jump in. You want that, fly a Spixteen. It DOES take practice to get the hang of the F4U, but she's a DAMN good ride once you do.

So would it be better instead to trade in my red and blue roundels for that big, white on blue star?

I realize that's it true that it takes a hang to get into the Hog and to fly it efficiently, but i cant seem to use that famed turning everyone's been talking about. But i guess it's because I still personally have to get better. Well, I'll be trying that out - but still...

do you think the Spit8 is anywhere near equal,lesser or better than any given Hog assuming pilots are of equal skill?

[Saxman]

Yeah, it takes some practice to take advantage of the Corsair's turning ability. A LOT of it is timing and knowing when to drop a notch of flaps. Also, cutting throttle, kicking out the gear and dumping flaps will give you some serious cornering ability.

Be advised, though, that this works for 1v1 situations, but I personally advise keeping the F4U fast in larger melees.

As for the Spit VIII I seem to find them easier kills in a Hog than any Spit except maybe the Seafire, I and XIV. They really don't seem to turn as well as the V, IX and XVI, and certainly lack the XVI's ludicrous rate of roll.

I'd look up Widewing, DanoDano and many of the AKs as they're among the best active Corsair drivers.

BTW, if the Hog is your cup of tea and you're ever looking for a squad, just look up my crew. We're always looking for pilots

[SgtPappy]

Roger that, Sax. I've always loved the F4U.... in fact, the D-Hog was my first ride ever. Unfortunatley, I'm now condemned to live in the 8 player arena as i have no ability to pay for the Online arenas. My job doesn't pay enough and, of course, I'n not even 18 yet.

Anywho, if you pros ever thinking of terrorizing the 8player arenas, I'd like to learn how to fly the Hog. My friends believes I'm not turning well because i drop TOO many flaps, causing me to slow down so badly, my elevators barely get any authority.

Plus, I need to learn to AIM. EVERYONE who has ever beaten me has mentioned that I'd be a much tougher opponent if I could aim. I often set my conv. at 350 (inboard pair) 325 (mid-pair) and 300 outboard pair. Sounds wonky, but i smell so bad in this game, it serves me a little better than one straight conv. setting. It's a good thing my SA isn't as bad as my shooting...

[Saxman]

There's not really any advantage to converging in a zone. It won't make you any more accurate, and especially with the .50 cal lessens the hitting power. I set my guns to converge at 300yds, and usually wait to shoot until even closer (max firing range is when the counter reaches 400yds). Gunnery just takes practice.

The issues with the Corsair at low speeds is not so much elevator authority. Under full flaps the F4U has a TIGHTER turning radius than even the Spixteen. Where she suffers is turn rate (the F4U will turn TIGHTER than many aircraft under full flaps, but DOES turn slower). This means that if you don't get a shot within a couple turns many aircraft will have now circled in behind you (so yeah, this is where aim REALLY makes a difference. For me, getting the kill as fast as possible is priority). However the F4U's ability to dump speed and put the Wonder Flaps (tm) into play so quickly will often give you the only shot opportunity you should need. The problem is if you miss.

Also, the F4U's roll rate begins to get a little mushy near stall speed as airflow over the wings slows. This can be GREATLY assisted with rudder, which remains responsive and VERY effective at almost any airspeed. Just be careful, because too much rudder and elevator simultaneously will lead to a spin. This is the other place where flying the F4U slow REALLY takes a careful touch, because she WILL depart, and VIOLENTLY, if you horse around on the stick too much at low speeds.

[humble]

Originally posted by Widewing
I disagree.

Comparing the F4U-4 to the La-7, the Corsair rolls faster, turns tighter, gives up very little in acceleration and climb (climbs much better than La-7 above 8k). Speed differences are minimal on the deck, and quickly shifts to the -4 as you go up. If the fight gets slow, the la-7 gets dead quickly.

I've fought enough duels between these two to catalog their relative abilities.


My regards,

Widewing

But I'll go further and state that in a 1 on 1 with a co-e start any flavor of F4U is more then a match for a lala at any alt. Obviously pilot quality is a big comonent. A well handled la-7 is quite capable....but the hog has significant options. On the deck the lala can pretty easily take the high ground and thereby control the fight....however the hogs roll & turn rate combined with its low speed stability make it a pretty lethal counter puncher. As starting alt climbs the hogs performance gets stronger and the fight becomes more and more even....

[Widewing]

Originally posted by humble
I'm nowhere near WW's league....

Don't underestimate yourself or overestimate me...  

I fly a gozillion low speed fights... Do something often enough and you begin to figure it out. There's lots of guys better than I am.

My regards,

Widewing

[SgtPappy]

Ah..ok... i get it Sax. So basically it's not that the Hog os turning lke crap, but that its moving so slowly, it can't complete its turn...

Ok, well, from now on it's strategy for me.

Thanks again for the help. If anyone (Widewing especially, lol) has info on the A-Hog, preferably in the form of charts, I'd like to see them.

Also, any strategies that work generally against higher-alt cons, I'd like to know. The thing is that I usually am able to defend against the UBER high cons, but if theyre similar alt, but slightly higher, all i can do is run, and then wait to turn for an HO.

[Spatula]

Current F4u-1D vs F4u-1A