ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena

[Citabria]

theres just not enough planes to disable all but two in the early war arena and when sides are only slightly imbalanced in the grand scheme of things with low numbers say 20 30 20 it ruins the fight for many.

I can see disabling perk planes in that very limited early war planeset but disabling most of the availabel fighters when numbers are low... ie around 60 or less.

well i dunno seems like some switch sides but mroe just go to another arena.

[Meatwad]

Eny in the EWA would be better off disabled

[SFCHONDO]

Should only be on in LW. So to get rid of the LALAs and 16's and make it more like the MW

[Roscoroo]

ive been saying that for over a week now.

[Sketch]

ENY is terrible in the Early and MId arena's.  Got to a point last night again I could up a Goon or a few GV's.  Then it went to nothing below 29..... that leaves like 4 planes and those can't catch anything!!  
Take the ENY out of the Early and Mid arena Hi-Tech!!

[bozon]

Originally posted by Sketch
Then it went to nothing below 29..... that leaves like 4 planes and those can't catch anything!!  

For the 100 time:
If ENY got that bad - switch sides. Loyalty is admireable, but if no one is willing to ballance the odds, you will not have much fun anyway (unless milkrunning is your thing).
That is the purpose of the ENY limiter. Do something about numbers ballancing or fly crappy planes, it's up to the players - you CAN do something about it and solve 2 problems at one go.

btw, time limit on switching sides is now only 1 hr.

[Simaril]

^^

What he said.


Believe it or not, I've found that there are nice guys and great gamers on all 3 countires!

[hitech]

Cit: If the numbers were 20 30 20 eny would be at 5.57 for the big country, I.E. only the perk planes would be disabled.


Here are the real counts of early last night.

TimeStamp                     BishopCnt KnightCnt    RookCnt
9/26/2006 8:29:41 PM EARLY1 10 19 25
9/26/2006 8:44:45 PM EARLY1 14 15 30
9/26/2006 8:59:46 PM EARLY1 18 14 28

So if your saying if Rooks have more people than the other 2 countries combined they shouldn't suffer a siff penalty?

HiTech

[ghostdancer]

In EW it is not the case of crappy planes. When ENY is at 30 you have only:

- D3A
- B5N2
- C47
- JU87
- JU88

That is it. So when you peopel are busy fighting over an object (several weeks ago were battling to repel a CV group) and suddenly all you have are those planes .. well sort of wrecks game play.

Yes, you can switch sides but basically that does not guarantee that the sides will be balanced for any time at all. You switch sides .. then 5 minutes later, 10 minutes later, whatever they can become massively unbalanced again as new players come and leave in the EW. When you have low numbers it does not take a lot to cause to 25 ENY or 30 ENY limiter.

ENY is fine in MW and LW since they have much more extensive plane sets that have much more broad ENY range.

EW does not have an extensive planeset at all. Plus, we are not talking about massive numbers here or concentration of numbers or picking on the lowest number side. I have seen several times that the two largest countries in EW are duking it out and basically leaving the smallest country alone since they are all focused on battling each other in one or two really nice fights / furballs.

Since we aren't going to have any new planes soon for EWA and thus the planeset is not going to get fleshed out ENY is not really suited for EWA. All it really does is lock people out of flying and then they face the choice of either switch sides and hope that it does not become unbalanced again in a 1 hour period. Or they leave EWA.

[storch]

the problem with switching sides is the time penalty involved.  make a subsequent switch possible every 15 minutes and the problem goes away.

[ghostdancer]

    TimeStamp                     BishopCnt KnightCnt    RookCnt
    9/26/2006 8:29:41 PM   EARLY1   10   19   25
    9/26/2006 8:44:45 PM   EARLY1   14   15   30
    9/26/2006 8:59:46 PM   EARLY1   18   14   28

HiTech based on your numbers .. you are talking 30 pilots. You are saying that there is no chance that the other two countries were mostly fighting the larger third?

If EWA had a more extensive planeset no problem with ENY but with the very limited planeset and most planes in the same ENY range, yes problem. Does stiff penalty mean the third country can't fly most of the planes available?

What was the ENY for 14 | 15 | 30 for the third country? At 24 ENY basically you just have the C.202 for a fighter and I think Hurri I (but not sure on the Hurri I). I have no problem with flying those fighters I do have a problem wheny I get limited to just the D3A, B5N2, C47, JU87 and JU88.

I think this qualifies as more than severe. It stops people from flying. And as you numbers show when you have an arena with lower numbers in the first place .. country population does change over a 30 minute period.  So switching sides does balance but does not guarantee at all that things will stay balance for any period of time much less an hour.

[Sketch]

Originally posted by ghostdancer
In EW it is not the case of crappy planes. When ENY is at 30 you have only:
- D3A
- B5N2
- C47
- JU87
- JU88

Yeap, had to use JU88's to hit one M16 because I couldn't take up a 110.

Originally posted by ghostdancer

Yes, you can switch sides but basically that does not guarantee that the sides will be balanced for any time at all. You switch sides .. then 5 minutes later, 10 minutes later, whatever they can become massively unbalanced again as new players come and leave in the EW. When you have low numbers it does not take a lot to cause to 25 ENY or 30 ENY limiter.

ENY is fine in MW and LW since they have much more extensive plane sets that have much more broad ENY range.

Actually it kind of sucks in the MW as well.  Last night there was a point of 17-Bish, 19-Rook & 7-Knights.  I was going to switch sides but I finally found a nice playground down by A18-19 area with Skeezer and we had some good fights.  But like you said, 5 minutes laster I realized it went up to almost even numbers and it wasn't from people switching sides.
And on Friday night I was on with a fellow AK, Yankee, and I watched him land 2 kills and he got 70+ perk points because of the perk bonus. I switched sides, had a few good fights and logged for the night.  Switching sides is not alwasy the answer, but it does work for a little while.

Originally posted by ghostdancer

EW does not have an extensive planeset at all. Plus, we are not talking about massive numbers here or concentration of numbers or picking on the lowest number side. I have seen several times that the two largest countries in EW are duking it out and basically leaving the smallest country alone since they are all focused on battling each other in one or two really nice fights / furballs.

Your right here as well and I agree with this big time.  When the numbers are low you find a base in the boon-docks and drill it fast with GV's or some bombers and then roll in for the easy capture.  But here is where the ENY kicks in.  If that other country, say the Rooks, are busy with the Knights, a few bish just roll into a far away base and capture it to help with scores and such.  
All in all, I just adjust and fly something else.  But when it jumps down to only being able to fly the planes listed above.... it sucks that you have to switch just to fly a plane.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by ghostdancer
In EW it is not the case of crappy planes. When ENY is at 30 you have only:

- D3A
- B5N2
- C47
- JU87
- JU88

That is it. So when you peopel are busy fighting over an object (several weeks ago were battling to repel a CV group) and suddenly all you have are those planes .. well sort of wrecks game play.

Yes, you can switch sides but basically that does not guarantee that the sides will be balanced for any time at all. You switch sides .. then 5 minutes later, 10 minutes later, whatever they can become massively unbalanced again as new players come and leave in the EW. When you have low numbers it does not take a lot to cause to 25 ENY or 30 ENY limiter.

ENY is fine in MW and LW since they have much more extensive plane sets that have much more broad ENY range.

EW does not have an extensive planeset at all. Plus, we are not talking about massive numbers here or concentration of numbers or picking on the lowest number side. I have seen several times that the two largest countries in EW are duking it out and basically leaving the smallest country alone since they are all focused on battling each other in one or two really nice fights / furballs.

Since we aren't going to have any new planes soon for EWA and thus the planeset is not going to get fleshed out ENY is not really suited for EWA. All it really does is lock people out of flying and then they face the choice of either switch sides and hope that it does not become unbalanced again in a 1 hour period. Or they leave EWA.

HiTech, this is true.   When the RONIN switched in the EWA, we would find that 10-15 minutes later, we were on the large numbered side.    The idea's especially for the EWA should be looked into.   I have "no loyalty" to a chesspiece, but, it seems as if sometimes switching can cause shooting of the foot.

[ghostdancer]

By crappy planes I mean being forced to fly a C.202 or Hurri I or other fighter that you consider not very good. In the old MA yeah you got high ENY penalties but you could always fly a fighter of some sort if you wanted to.

Here in EWA at a certai point all fighters are gone. You can't fly a fighter so it is not a case of a crappy plane it is a case of no fighters at all.

You are regulated to bombers / dive bombers. Now lets take a look at it what you have left when the ENY takes out all the fighters for a side:

JU87
B5N2
D3A

If you are into bombing at least you have the JU88 which is at least survivable to some extent.

Plus, your side might have been having a great fight with another country and then .. boom it is over .. not because you were out fought or based on any skill .. but simply because nobody can fly a fighter. Sorry we are having human and this game is all about striving and pitting yourself against each other. It leaves a sour feeling in my mouth when I watch something end (lose a base, sink a CV, or base get captured or a CV sunk) simply because you can't field any fighters anymore. And this can happen simply because one country out of the 3 has very low numbers and the the middle country can still field fighters and the large country no longer can.

With low population numbers and since ENY is based on percentages  .. it doesn't take many people or lack of people to cause ENY to really kick in hard in the EWA.

ENY works in LWA and MWA because they have a more extensive planeset that more gradually starts to reduce your plane options but you still have options (Fighters that you can fly).

EWA, when it kicks in you lose the bulk of your planes since they all are very close to each other in their ENY values.

[Edbert]

I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

to balanced odds!