Someone help me understand.....

[lazs2]

no matter what I read about the taking of fields and how it is such great gameplay...

all I ever see is milkrunning and gangbanging and runway diving...  I have never seen two large groups of players that claim to be into field capture and defense ever meet each other.

the only time I ever see groups meeting each other it is furballers meeting and fighting and it is milkrunners who ruin the fight...  they hit the FH or the CV when the fight has been going on for a long time or...  a bunch of em come to "help" and overbalance the numbers so that they can vultch a capped field.

The new arenas seem to allow furballers the ability to find another place to fight.

Again... I don't care if the milkrunners take every undefended field they can and I don't care if they "win the war"...  I don't care if they feel more loyalty to a cartoon chesspiece than they do to their family...

the pretense of it does kinda disgust me tho.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Overlag]

Originally posted by lazs2

the pretense of it does kinda disgust me tho.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's [/B]

so because we are having fun playing the game ourway, you hate us?

[straffo]

Overlag it's just another Lazzi

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Overlag



why blame the "problem" on someone else?

 

Because I am not the one that is doing all they can to avoid a fight by hopping around to the next undefended base.  But again, I can see where some of those that are lacking in the fighter abilities or want to pad their score (and don't want a death to ruin their score) will see the enticement in attacking an undefended base.  It's sad though, makes for a boring time and honestly, what challenge is there in attacking an undefended base and doing all you can do to avoid a fight?  Might as well play MS flight sim if you're that timid.


ack-ack

[storch]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because I am not the one that is doing all they can to avoid a fight by hopping around to the next undefended base.  But again, I can see where some of those that are lacking in the fighter abilities or want to pad their score (and don't want a death to ruin their score) will see the enticement in attacking an undefended base.  It's sad though, makes for a boring time and honestly, what challenge is there in attacking an undefended base and doing all you can do to avoid a fight?  Might as well play MS flight sim if you're that timid.


ack-ack

this coming from a player who has high altitude lame game play named after him, hence the akakosphere.  step down from your soap box sir everyone here knows your game.

[Ack-Ack]

LOL the only ones that whine about my flying seem to be the ones I shoot down.  Maybe if you and the ones that whine weren't so timid or sucked so bad maybe you'd shoot me down once in awhile Storchita.  

And in case you forget...those duels we had were coalt affairs and the last time I ran into you in the MA...you had the alt and you still died.  No, it's not the case of me flying at 15k or 20k but rather those that whine sucking.

ack-ack

[shiningpathb4me]

a2a vs a2building dichotomy.  I spend more time in the air in a fighter plane than anything else.  I do consider myself a 'war fighter'. I'll bring whatever's needed to the party, and hit whatever needs hitting.  Why is it necessary to try and categorize me or anyone else as being one or the other? I share your sentiments about the hordes and the milkruns. I too get a little perturbed by alot of the nonsense I see around me. You want to know what my biggest pet peeve is? It's the people who will fly to an unused airfield, deack it, then circle waiting for someone to take off. You know the result. The other day I got that treatment and the retard kept saluting me (apparently wanted everyone to know that I wouldn't return his/her salute) (Like im gonna salute a pick/vulch tard for a job well done)

I suspect, that if asked, that tard would identify themselves as an a2a player. What a joke.

[shiningpathb4me]

Originally posted by lazs2
no matter what I read about the taking of fields and how it is such great gameplay...

all I ever see is milkrunning and gangbanging and runway diving...  I have never seen two large groups of players that claim to be into field capture and defense ever meet each other.

/B]

Well I see alot of the same things, but if you we'rent so involved in some silly furball somewhere you'd see alot of things you haven't seen yet, because some of us are very involved in the fight, nut don't recall seeing you around any of them.

[pluck]

Originally posted by shiningpathb4me
a2a vs a2building dichotomy.  I spend more time in the air in a fighter plane than anything else.  I do consider myself a 'war fighter'. I'll bring whatever's needed to the party, and hit whatever needs hitting.  Why is it necessary to try and categorize me or anyone else as being one or the other? I share your sentiments about the hordes and the milkruns. I too get a little perturbed by alot of the nonsense I see around me. You want to know what my biggest pet peeve is? It's the people who will fly to an unused airfield, deack it, then circle waiting for someone to take off. You know the result. The other day I got that treatment and the retard kept saluting me (apparently wanted everyone to know that I wouldn't return his/her salute) (Like im gonna salute a pick/vulch tard for a job well done)

I suspect, that if asked, that tard would identify themselves as an a2a player. What a joke.

yes it is rather pathetic.  after flying in an arena for awhile you get to know who these people are.  people can claim to be "a2a" all they want but their actions may prove otherwise.  I feel in a lot of ways the same may be said for some strat guys.  if we compare taking a base (for strat guys) against killing an airplane (furballers), then how you do it is more important than how many.

to be perfectly clear, i have nothing against strat guys.  i think they should fully enjoy dropping bombs, taking bases, and everything else that is involved.  i think it's important to note that there are dweebs on both sides of the issue.  i think your point is quite on the mark, but that guy you describe could just as easily say he is a strat guy suppressing the field.  it is funny though if he was expecting a back after that:)

[lazs2]

shining...  that's fine... I have never seen you in the game either but then... I avoid the whordes milkrunning... no fun to fly with and no fun to fly against.  

Oh... a "fight" isn't 8 guys chasing one lone red plane or 6 late war planes all runway diving to try to kill the red plane taking off or landing...

It also isn't killing toolsheds and outhouses.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Flayed1]

Shining hit it on the head for the most part...  Why must we be classified as one or the other? I think allot of people are a mix and then you have those extreamests on the far end of either side.

 Lazs I would say and I think you have to agree you are one of the extreamests on the furball side, I can't think of a name of a tool shed extreamest  but we know they are there.  Then you have people like me and I think I can speak for most if not all of the BOP's when I say they like both. We have no big problem with a furball and can enjoy such and we like to capture bases and thing of that sort to help our virtual country win the war or attempt to stop our side being reset.  

  Take last night in the LWA, Nits were hitting A10 like a freekin swarm of locusts  ( Nits)  and a good chunk of the bish population including most of our squad that was on, was there defending it any way we could.  It was a HUGE furball with base taking at the heart of it.  They constantly had our hangers down but we kept coming off of our CV.

  We porked troops around A10 and I even had to dive down from a  20K troop porking run in a P-51 when a Nit CV started taking pot shots at me just NW of 10 and I look down and see a goon sitting on it.  Bombed it, got the goon and reported location while running my lil butt out of the ack and took some parts off of a spit on the way out.

 Heck I even took 20k B-17's over once to kill the hangers at 9 in an attempt to give 10 a bit of a break but even that didnt work. Those Nits reallly wanted 10 lol.   I went up in a Tempest and got my engine shot out by a passing B-24 in 2 pings (Good shot)  I took a Hog up trying to keep the bombers off of our CV and there went my wing lol..

  They got 10 finally and someone on Nits saluted bish for the good base defence.  

  And while all this was happening I'll bet there was some guy some where vulching an undefended field or something of the like.  Or on the other end the furballers doing what they do best on furball island. But who ever they were they must have been having fun doing what they were doing, not that I think it is the most fun thing to do but what ever floats your boat I guess.

Any way I would just like for people to stop lumping everyone into 2 piles (furballers) here and (land grabbers) here because there is so much more diversity in our community.

[Donzo]

Shining hit it on the head for the most part and you drove it home Flayd!

Well said

[lazs2]

flayed... you may see me at a base defense...  I assure you that I am not there because the field is important to me in the least.

I am there if there is a fight and will remain there until it is capped or the FH's are down... maybe longer... I may up an IL2 and kill a few more...

I think there are a goodly number on that are not really defending or attacking so much as they are just looking for good fights.

But... what does it matter?  it could work out... you guys see me killing attackers or defenders... by your way of looking at it... I am "helping"  My way of looking at it I am having a good time..   Point being, there are ways for the two groups to function together.

Where the animosity comes in is when the furballers are chastised for not bringing bombs or not going over to help this or that field or.... when the attackers kill the FH's or the CV where a good fight is happening.

Now, you must admit.. that when this was brought up in the past.... the toolshedders all admitted that they were doing it and basicaly said "tough titty".    They certainly didn't care about anthing but their gameplay.

you would also have to admit that for the most part... the whorde does not seek out the enemy whorde but instead.... milkruns.

Those were the types of behavior that caused so much of the rift and will continue to do so as long as they are employed.

In EW yesterday... the enemy CV was killed at a really good fight..  I simply announced that "this fight is over gonna go find another"  and... I actualy could.. there were several small fights with people just having fun.

I will never understand why the toolshedders will come to a fight that they had nothing to do with simply to kill it.... especialy when there are so many other places they could go..

It really does stink of "griefing" and you really can't expect people to be happy with a griefer.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[storch]

since we're hitting things on the head here today, flayed may I hit you on the head?

[Overlag]

Originally posted by lazs2


But... what does it matter?  it could work out... you guys see me killing attackers or defenders... by your way of looking at it... I am "helping"  My way of looking at it I am having a good time..   Point being, there are ways for the two groups to function together.

Where the animosity comes in is when the furballers are chastised for not bringing bombs or not going over to help this or that field or.... when the attackers kill the FH's or the CV where a good fight is happening.
 

any toolshed mission should have fighters without eggs to do the dogfighting. This is what frustrates me, as that furballers COULD join in, like they did in the old days, and help base captures. instead they whine the map hasnt got FT's.

Furballers would come in first, kill any defenders, then move on to next bases once the toolsheders have done there work... Moving on, would be to the next base which might supply the base thats under attack....

This is why festaMA sorta works out very well, because if you are attacking one base, the very next base is less than 10miles away, and defenders will up there. The furballers can have there fight infront of the main attack force. However right now, the main attack force rarely has fighter cover, so they resort to porking hangers, or milkrunning, simply because they havnt got a fully balanced attack.

Originally posted by lazs2


Now, you must admit.. that when this was brought up in the past.... the toolshedders all admitted that they were doing it and basicaly said "tough titty".    They certainly didn't care about anthing but their gameplay.

 

Do you care about toolsheders gameplay? and if you say you do you are lying because its NEVER come across in any of your posts.

Originally posted by lazs2

you would also have to admit that for the most part... the whorde does not seek out the enemy whorde but instead.... milkruns.

Those were the types of behavior that caused so much of the rift and will continue to do so as long as they are employed.
 

because hardcore furballers wont do anything against it. Bases without defence deserve to be milkrunn'ed

Originally posted by lazs2


In EW yesterday... the enemy CV was killed at a really good fight..  I simply announced that "this fight is over gonna go find another"  and... I actualy could.. there were several small fights with people just having fun.

I will never understand why the toolshedders will come to a fight that they had nothing to do with simply to kill it.... especialy when there are so many other places they could go..
It really does stink of "griefing" and you really can't expect people to be happy with a griefer.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

because i bet that CV was nearing there base, and the CV driver's was aiming to capture the field. Isnt that the point of the game? You moan and moan about milkrunners, but when a base has a successful defence, you moan that the toolsheders ruined the fight? No they didnt they successfully defended the base. you are whining about BOTH sides of the arguement. You dont want the defence of the base killing the cv, but you dont want people milkrunning either.

what do you want?