P-47 Dogfighting

[Stoney74]

Apparently, according to others, I am a skilless noob if I don't learn how to mix it up in a P47.  So, I'm looking for the best way to mop up zeros, hurris, and spit 16's in a co-alt, co-e Jug.  Any advantage in altitude or speed is apparently a crutch that retards my develpment as a player in the game...

[Krusty]

You might be surprised at what a p47 can do.

However, you are allowed to use "no skill" tactics when flying against zeros, hurris, and spit16s, all of which take no skill to fly, also.

When mixing it up aginst craft that take a bit of skill to fly, you can learn moves that take a bit of skill to pull off, but in the current MA crowd I don't think that day will ever come, so relax

P.S. While tongue-in-cheek, this post does have a grain of truth. Don't try turn fighting with spit16s, hurricanes, and zeros. The P47 just doesn't turn that well. Please note it does turn fight, but not against the "cream of the crop" that has already been listed here.

[Major Biggles]

jugs can be great fun in a dogfight, just keep a decent level of airspeed in turns, use one or two notches of flaps, and ignore the whines coming from hyppocritical idiots flying dweeby, skilless rides

if you ever want to mess about in the TA though, i could give you a hand at using that big bomber of yours in a turnfight it's all about the energy and your SA

[ded]

I respect anyone that can fly a jug with skill, because I know I sure as heck can't.

[Iceman24]

main thing i try to do in a 47 is keep my energy up. and if I'm going to slow down to take a shot I make sure to make it. the 47 turns pretty well at the begining of the fight because it blows its energy really well, it just doens't like sustained turns and is probably the slowest accelerating plane in the game, so  if your going to slow down to take a shot, make sure you make it count

[Nightshift82]

that fat hottie also hides E very well, just like a F4U does.

[1895]

Contact Mowaca on this one. He's a great P47 pilot, he isn't on a whole lot but I think he might be willing to teach you. He is the only P47 that makes my spit 8 or p51 work for the kill

[Stoney74]

Thanks for the input gentlemen.  I apologize in a way for the first post, as I know it is foolish to turn fight a zero in a jug.  The thing that creased me was that there's a certain group of players out there that call what was described to me as good jug tactics, picking--bore n zoom--etc.  It was recommended that I should just keep getting my butt shot off trying to learn how to do it, until I learned how.  I think that's a pretty ridiculous idea.  I would quote Soda's write up on the jug, but I think everyone that has posted here is in agreement with me...  

I always considered the P-47 to be something of a "more difficult" plane to fight with in the MA, so I thought being smart was part of the skill set required to be successful with it.  Apparently there are those out there that disagree.

[Krusty]

Well, if you get into a BNZ fight with 4 turnfighters, and you end up killing all 4 and returning to base, I wonder who the foolish ones are then?

[Balsy]

The Jug11 can hold its own against any spit, and the hurries, unless their flown by the top pilots in the game.  The zeke, well just b & z that bad boy.

Balsy

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Balsy
The Jug11 can hold its own against any spit, and the hurries, unless their flown by the top pilots in the game.  The zeke, well just b & z that bad boy.

Balsy

was flying against someone in the H2H rooms me in a P47D11 or D25 them in an A6m5 zeke, they wanted to flat turn and try to merge Nose on everytime, Ikept my E up, and used the vertical, roping them each time, nailing them as they stalled it and floundered trying to climb up.......

if you use oblique turns when flying against a superior turning  plane, you can sometimes "outturn" them even though they are in the better turning plane.......

and yes BnZ will always work if performed correctly and you stay persistent about the attack, don't let the prey have a long time to set up for your next attack,  keep them on their toes and always attack from different angles, don't be a 1 trick pony show......

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by Krypto
He is the only P47 that makes my spit 8 or p51 work for the kill

then i got a few humiliations waiting for you in DA

[SuperDud]

Stoney I'm not sure if "there's a certain group of players" refers to me and what I wrote you in the other thread. If so all I was stating is that in order to get as good as YUCCA and Blu you have to fight like them. Zooming in and out of a fight is fine in a P47. But if you want to learn to fly like the guys mentioned above, you gotta slow down and get into it. It doesn't mean you have to do it in the MA, you can go to the TA with a trainer and practice dogfighting in that beast. IMO staying fast and never learning how to really push a plane to it's edge will take you a lot longer time to really get a feel for the bird in a dogfight. By practicing(AKA dying) over and over you get more and more comforitable controlling the plane once you get to the stalling limits and even beyond. Basically, there's nothing wrong with coming in high and keeping your speed up, but it's always nice to be confident when you see that high con above you. It just takes practice and time.

[1895]

NEVER Bat, we had fun 3 duels I took all of em home And if a jug 11 can hold its own against any spit unless its the top pilot omg. Medal please?

[Kuhn]

Originally posted by SuperDud
Stoney I'm not sure if "there's a certain group of players" refers to me and what I wrote you in the other thread. If so all I was stating is that in order to get as good as YUCCA and Blu you have to fight like them. Zooming in and out of a fight is fine in a P47. But if you want to learn to fly like the guys mentioned above, you gotta slow down and get into it. It doesn't mean you have to do it in the MA, you can go to the TA with a trainer and practice dogfighting in that beast. IMO staying fast and never learning how to really push a plane to it's edge will take you a lot longer time to really get a feel for the bird in a dogfight. By practicing(AKA dying) over and over you get more and more comforitable controlling the plane once you get to the stalling limits and even beyond. Basically, there's nothing wrong with coming in high and keeping your speed up, but it's always nice to be confident when you see that high con above you. It just takes practice and time.

True SuperDud, I would like to add that once your low and slow in the MA, keep your SA up because there is always some one ready to bounce on you for a kill in the middle of a 1v1.