First Chechnya War - 1994-1996"Estimates vary of the total number of casualties caused by the war.
Russian Interior Minister Kulikov claimed that fewer than 20,000 civilians were killed while then-Secretary of the National Security Council Aleksandr Lebed asserted that 80,000 to 100,000 had been killed and 240,000 had been injured.
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Boroda, that's the RUSSIAN Interior Minister and Secretary of the National Security Council estimating between
20,000 and 100,000 Chechen CIVILIANS had been killed.. the RUSSIAN government.
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Chechnya and the Left "The 1994-96 War
The Russian assault on Chechnya was terribly brutal. Grozny was more or less obliterated by bombing, and a hundred thousand refugees left the city in the middle of winter.
About 80,000 people died in the war."TITLE=CHECHNYA CASUALTIES Many here fear a repeat of the Chechen war of 1994 to 1996. That conflict left an
estimated 80-thousand people dead, most of them civilians.
Civilian casualties of war in Chechnya Research conducted by the Memorial human rights group suggests that as many as 2,000 Chechens may have gone missing after being detained by Russian forces...
Russian television today showed gruesome footage of
25 of the bodies - three of them women - laid out in a converted warehouse in Grozny waiting for relatives to identify the dead.
Many of the badly decayed bodies had been mutilated. Some have razor wounds to their head and shoulders. Most of the dead had their arms bound together with rope before their death and many were blindfolded; some bodies bear the traces of gunshot wounds....The corpse of Adam Chimayev was the first to be identified by relatives. His family was invited by an intermediary to inspect a group of bodies deposited at Zdorvye. After positively identifying Chumayev,
the family paid $3,000 to Russian soldiers to retrieve his body from the village so they could hold a funeral, his widow said. The 38-year-old Chechen had not been seen by his family since Russian soldiers detained him on December 3 last year. Three shots to his heart area had killed him, and there were the marks of torture on his body, relatives revealed."
Charts of Total Deaths- Chechen & Russian StatsChechen stats show 40-45,000 civilians killed. Interestingly enough the Russian stats don't cover civilians.
The Second Chechen War -(1999-Present)Chechnya-- Unknown, but civilian deaths are thought to exceed 50,000
Second Chechnya War - 1999-???"The death toll is certainly in the thousands, including several thousand innocent civilians.
Killing Chechnya"After almost three months of war, the badly mauled Russian army has established a tenuous presence in about three quarters of the Chechen capital of Grozny. But the cost has been enormous: over 5000 dead Russian soldiers,
perhaps as many of as 15,000 civilian dead, most of them ethnic Russians....
.... To put the intensity of firing in perspective, the highest level of firing recorded in Sarajevo was 3500 heavy detonations per day.
In Grozny in early February, a colleague of mine counted 4,000 detonations per hour. First Chechen War Background"The war is also one of the great human tragedies of the post-Communist world. Deaths directly attributable to the fighting may approach 50,000, most of them civilians. "
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Wait.. I guess those were ALL "Chechen Rebels" right? No civilians in those numbers.
Boroda: I see that some nations are more equal then others, and are allowed to kill civilians wholesale...
Yes, that is OBVIOUSLY true. YOUR country,
RUSSIA has killed and is still killing Chechen civilians (Russian Federation Citizens, eh?) WHOLESALE. From 30,000 feet, from 15,000 feet, from 5,000 feet and from ground level.
...and YOU where the one who was accusing the US and crying about AFGHAN civilian casualties BEFORE the air campaign even STARTED...
Time to wash your own laundry.
Carpet bombings: If you are referring to US carpet bombings of highly populated areas (cities) since WW2, please give me the example.
If you're talking about VietNam, the B-52 Arc Light strikes (3 ship cell "carpet bombing"), IIRC, did not target cities.
Again, let's see what you've got.
FDSKI:You can make up toejam like that on a fly.
Yes, the writer could. However, one would expect the LA Times editorial staff to exercise some oversight of one of their writers. It would be awfully embarassing to a major paper to be caught publishing a fantasy as news. Yeah, newspapers make mistakes. You think they would have published that without checking it?
<EDIT> Also, that article is on numerous human rights sites, including Human Rights Watch. One would think they'd do some checking as well before republishing.Besides, the main point here is BORODA.
Continually critical, continually assaulting the US as callous towards civilians...
... and yet his own country has perpetrated FAR GREATER civilian casualties in Chechnya than the US EVER did in the Gulf War or has currently done in Afghanistan.
He uses every "fig leaf" in the book to cover that... but it's simple fact.
As I said before: "But I'll be d*mned if the same guy who was accusing the US and crying about AFGHAN civilian casualties BEFORE the air campaign even STARTED...
is going to get a "free pass" on the brutal way his country kills civilians and military enemies alike."
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