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Offline Silat

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« on: September 30, 2006, 01:58:30 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2006, 02:11:03 PM »
"Nowhere does the constitution say anything about seperation of church and state" + "this country was built on judeo christian values" followed by weasely explanation about why we should establish a christian theocracy to fight off the muslim terror in 3...2...1....
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2006, 02:13:35 PM »
Attorney fees should be limited when it comes to suing our government. Why should some scumsucker make millions from having a plaque of the ten commandments removed from a courtroom? Doctors are limited to what is considered reasonable when paid by the government (us taxpayers) so why not lawyers. Of course lawyers will object to this.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2006, 02:19:29 PM »
It does actually make sense.  Anytime you are sued by a lawyer, you have to spend money even if you are entirely right.  Often you have to at least match what the other person was spending.  

That, coupled with the lack of seperation of church and state issue, I can see this very well.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2006, 02:33:04 PM »
the attorney could always work pro bono, if they really believed in their cause, i know i would.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2006, 03:05:42 PM »
So a person that is offended due to being asked to stand in a classroom where the majority of class recites the pledge of allegiance cant just run out and get an attorney on the governments dime and file a discrimination suit against local governemnt because the pledge uses the terms "under god".... No problem there....
 The Noblesville indiana courthouse has had the ten commandments hanging out front for 100 + years and someone was offended who hired a lawyer on the local governements dime almost put the county budget 50 years  in the hole...

It looks to me like the problem isnt the amendment itself but the "Offended" who want to litigate at the governments expense with no personal out of pocket expenses.1..2.3..
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 03:15:04 PM »
Well said Tojo. What I'm wondering is where it says in the Constitution that citizens have the right to hire attorneys at government expense to sue the government. I know a Supreme Court tacked on their own clause once upon a time but I might consider an improper interpretation a more serious attack on our Constitution than this imagined one.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 03:32:27 PM »
Not spurious lawsuits, people who SUCCESFULLY sue.  

In a suit against an individual, you have the right to pursue your legal fees if you win.  Why wouldn't that apply to suing the government?  Why do you advocate special rights for the gub?
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2006, 03:34:56 PM »
UNDER GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2006, 03:41:16 PM »
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Not spurious lawsuits, people who SUCCESFULLY sue.  

In a suit against an individual, you have the right to pursue your legal fees if you win.  Why wouldn't that apply to suing the government?  Why do you advocate special rights for the gub?


I don't necessarily have a problem paying legal fees in cases that are won. The fees should be based on the hourly pay of a public defender though and not some exhoribtant $500+ an hour imo. Fees should also be supported with thorough and accurate documentation which should be closely scrutinized. Cases that are lost should require the attorneys and their clients to reimburse the government for all of it's expenses as well.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2006, 03:43:47 PM »
We never say that quasi-stalinist pledge in my classroom.  We do talk about the evils of religion from time to time however.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2006, 03:45:22 PM »
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So a person that is offended due to being asked to stand in a classroom where the majority of class recites the pledge of allegiance cant just run out and get an attorney on the governments dime and file a discrimination suit against local governemnt because the pledge uses the terms "under god".... No problem there....
 The Noblesville indiana courthouse has had the ten commandments hanging out front for 100 + years and someone was offended who hired a lawyer on the local governements dime almost put the county budget 50 years  in the hole...

It looks to me like the problem isnt the amendment itself but the "Offended" who want to litigate at the governments expense with no personal out of pocket expenses.1..2.3..


There's a bigger picture than greedy lawyers. Sound to me like Noblesville lost that $$ by fighting it, had they recognized it was a violation and removed it, all that cash would still be theirs. The 10 commandments mean nothing to me, and wont make 1 bit of difference on how business gets done inside. Its a symbol, if the Govt wants to wast time & tax $$ defending symbols.. kick em out of office.

The Govt keeps being found guilty of violating peoples rights, but they're tired of paying for it... so here's a wacky idea, stop violating folks rights.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2006, 03:59:08 PM »
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So a person that is offended due to being asked to stand in a classroom where the majority of class recites the pledge of allegiance cant just run out and get an attorney on the governments dime and file a discrimination suit against local governemnt because the pledge uses the terms "under god".... No problem there....
 The Noblesville indiana courthouse has had the ten commandments hanging out front for 100 + years and someone was offended who hired a lawyer on the local governements dime almost put the county budget 50 years  in the hole...

It looks to me like the problem isnt the amendment itself but the "Offended" who want to litigate at the governments expense with no personal out of pocket expenses.1..2.3..


what I want to know is
where in the consitution does it say you have the right to not be offended?
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2006, 06:12:37 PM »
Sometimes I go out and look at the night sky and wonder "where is that damned asteroid?".......
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2006, 08:50:45 PM »
Sig material.  :)
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