226 incursions by Mexican government

[x0847Marine]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/5898.shtml

Maybe this is a little bit 'old news', Mexican military personnel protecting drug smugglers, pointing weapons at Federal officers, even fired at them. 226 incidents including unmarked helicopters invading U.S. airspace.

You gotta read through these official US Govt documents to be really shocked, they're well articulated, yet our officials did NOTHING and the media could care less. Some knotheads holed up in a dirt cave 1/2 way across the world is breaking news.

Our President blabbers on about how he and his assclown cronies have made us safer, safer against who?, the radicals Muslims are way the heck over there, meanwhile our next door neighbors have been killing / shooting / victimizing US citizens unabated for decades.

Apparently criminal illegals need to kill a few thousand Americans at once on TV before they become a threat, apparently its cool if you kill us off a few at a time.

This it reminded me of this lady:
http://www.altoonamirror.com/News/articles.asp?articleID=5197

Shes suing the Fed Govt for $100 million for failing to deport an illegal alien who went on to murder her son, and I hope she wins every penny. I hope everyone victimized by an illegal alien wins $100 million until the Fed Govt is BROKE.

It isn't mid east terrorists crossing the border killing US citizens, Hezbollah hasn't attacked US soil during 'wartime'.. but the Mexican military has. Al-Qaeda has yet to fire one shot across our southern border, Mexican military has. Ever hear of that gang "The Hezbollah locos", or "MS13-Hezbollah", me neither.

The Mexican border is rapidly turning into Lebanon, a state within a state;  but the mini state doesn't have flashy Mid eastern sounding "terrorist" name like Hezbollah, we know them as "drug cartels".

I'm really trying to get my head around how dozens of our finest young troops are being killed 1000s of miles from where a festering cesspool of criminality threatens me every day, and has festered for decades. Yet my leaders, so called, break their arms patting themselves on the back concerning safety.

Mexico is so lucky Israel is not their neighbor, they'd be stomping some Mexican military pee pee in the dirt and not apologizing for it. No wonder the USA has become a world joke... we'll go thousands of miles to clobber some country, and ignore the one clobbering us.

[takeda]

Why can't we all just get along?

http://www.laweekly.com/general/a-considerable-town/viva-border-volleyball/14095/

[Nilsen]

lol takeda

[lazs2]

I hope she wins the suit too... the government is being negligent.

I would also like to see citizens sue businesses that hire illegals for providing an attractive nuisance or something of that nature.

lazs

[JB88]

Originally posted by lazs2
I hope she wins the suit too... the government is being negligent.

I would also like to see citizens sue businesses that hire illegals for providing an attractive nuisance or something of that nature.

lazs

i sooooo agree with you on this one.

if law enforcement wont deal with it...then let the civil suits begin taking chunks out of the employers own pockets.  in my opinion they bear the most responsibility in the matter.

(i have actually asked my attorney about this...the only problem is that often companies will use a contractor to provide what they can then pretend is legitimate labor...i think that there are ways around this too.)

note.  i have absolutely nothing against immigration.  truly.  

but how is it fair that others can come here, forge papers, skip taxes and reap all of the benefits when others wish to come here through the proper channels and are consistantly having to wait?  it is beyond me...


given king for a day status?  

2 year work visa...you want to stay you have to be sponsored by a naturalized citizen (who can only sponsor one per) and you have to apply for permanent citizenship status which is then relayed to your country of origin.

skilled or technical labor may be allowed greater leaway and benefits, but not without sponsorship...the person sponsoring bearing personal responsibility.

wack i know, but fair i think.

[lazs2]

I agree totaly with what you say.

I think that the contractor who does the actual hiring should be the one to take the blame unless it can be proven there was a conspiracy.

I would also say that if there were a mandatory jail term attached to hiring illegals the "contractors" would be very eager to rat out the company.

yep... the biggest problem is the ones doing the hiring and I also feel that work visas are the way to go...  You should not be able to bring your family tho nor should be able to use tax supported services.

lazs

[lukster]

Illegal aliens are so numerous and entrenched in this country it will be very difficult to extricate them. The few local attempts to enforce existing laws have been met loud cries of racism and threats to sue. I'm sure everyone here watched the protest demonstrations a while back including the march of half a million supporting illegal immigrants on Dallas. If the laws are given real teeth it's hard for me to believe these people are just going away peacefully.

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by lazs2
I agree totaly with what you say.

I think that the contractor who does the actual hiring should be the one to take the blame unless it can be proven there was a conspiracy.

I would also say that if there were a mandatory jail term attached to hiring illegals the "contractors" would be very eager to rat out the company.

yep... the biggest problem is the ones doing the hiring and I also feel that work visas are the way to go...  You should not be able to bring your family tho nor should be able to use tax supported services.

lazs

I agree. I might add that after the contractor was ratted out and fined/put in jail, THEN the illegals that were hired by the contractor should be fined and jailed as well.

[JB88]

anyone who is working on a legitimate visa should be paying taxes so i have no problem with them using tax supported services if they are actually chipping in to the hat...it is truly beneficial for america to have a diverse workforce.  

the permits would have to be pretty high tech.   and no more getting the same 4 year drivers licenses with easy renewals that many if not most of the illegals that i know of have gotten...nope...you get a temporary license that expires at the same time as your visa.

get caught using false documentation?  jail.  period.  then deportation, never to be invited back.

you stay without a sponsor?  hey man, why can't you get to know the locals?  get lost.  it would encourage intigration and assimilation into our ways while also promoting a healthy degree of give and take from both the citizen and those who wish to be.

fingerprints on entry.

i often find myself cringing at the thought of being so drastic about these things.  i am the least totalitarian of all...but i also believe that we have a good thing here and we should never be cavelier about maintaining a simple degree of order and adherance to the law of the land.  

this isnt about race for me.  it is about our system and our laws.  things are better changed through debate and legislation than through a blind eye or a lazy approach to it's implimentation.

we are after all a country of immigrants...very few countries can boast the diversity and general tolerance of hightly developed nations like ours...but let's not forget that it has always been the customary to sign in upon entry.  ellis island: the monument to the best of that ideal.  

its time to make the law work for everyone, to enforce it and make it fair but very clear.

no more passes for employers.  period.  

they need to get thier pants sued off.  they need to be jailed.  

they are breaking the law and they know it.

[Charon]

Why have a real solution when you can instead build a useless 700 mile pork project to funnel more of our tax dollars to the appropriate campaign check writers.

A real solution might actually solve the problem, and neither political party wants that.


Charon

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by Charon
Why have a real solution when you can instead build a useless 700 mile pork project to funnel more of our tax dollars to the appropriate campaign check writers.

A real solution might actually solve the problem, and neither political party wants that.


Charon

I'd love to have a fence that  Mexicans and terrorists would have a hard time getting across.

[indy007]

Originally posted by ByeBye
I'd love to have a fence that  Mexicans and terrorists would have a hard time getting across.

So... uh... exactly how far down are you considering burying this fence?







Or, you could just end the war on drugs, and devalue the product to the extent it's no longer viable for the black market.

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by indy007
So... uh... exactly how far down are you considering burying this fence?







Or, you could just end the war on drugs, and devalue the product to the extent it's no longer viable for the black market.

I wonder if we have technology that can detect tunnels?

The border must be secured physically and by force/law

[Charon]

I'd love to have a fence that Mexicans and terrorists would have a hard time getting across.

And I'd love to have a new Porsche for Christmas. The liklihood of either coming to pass is virtually nil. We don't have the resources to provide a secure physical solution, even to contain the immigrants from the south, not to mention potential terrorists from either north or south. Look at the resources spent by the communists on the cold war border barries in Europe. The distance secured was less, and even that security was relatively porous outside of Berlin, for example. Good enough to discourage the average person from leaving, but not enough to stop a dedicated special ops type with time and planning or dedicated civilian form crossing. The DMZ in Korea is more like it, but that covers less land. We can't put a guard tower ever 100 yards, mines, multiple razor wire fence lines, air security, ground patrol security, seismic monitoring on a total border area of:

US land border/Canada:3145 miles
US sea border/Canada: 2380 miles
Mexican land boderd: 1,951 miles
Mexican sea border: ?
 
Putting employers in jail solves the immigrant problem almost overnight. For terrorism, border resources could then be spent looking for truly unusual activities that would now get lost in day to day border activity. You could put money in securing the ports. You could use technology better since 999 out of 1000 potential targets of interest to investigate would not be just another immigrant family.

The problem is the business concerens supporting the Republicans like cheap labor. If they can't outsource production, then they insource the 2nd world producers. The pro illegal voters (of latin american descent often, and in many cases just idealistic liberal types) pressure the Democrats to give these "yearning to be frees" their chance at the dream (even if they disregard legal paths to immigration and even if many are just here to get cash to retire with south of the border). Even the Republicans are looking to capture the latin am. vote in coming decades, adding to the disincentives.

What the legal citizens want is beside the point, since come Nov. we will all likely cast our political brand specific votes as expected.

Charon

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by indy007
Or, you could just end the war on drugs, and devalue the product to the extent it's no longer viable for the black market.

Are you saying that if we make drugs legal, then "drugs" would be devalued?

Or are you saying that drugs are the main reasons for illegal immigrants? Not sure what you're trying to get at....

Illegal workers are like a drug. Maybe if we end the "war"  on illegals, then we could "devalue" the "product" and we would not have an illegal imigration problem.