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Offline 1K3

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« on: October 02, 2006, 11:41:03 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2006, 01:20:32 PM »
"The gunman in the Amish school shooting tied together the feet of most female students and allowed boys to leave the building before shooting his victims execution style, police say."
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2006, 01:44:46 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2006, 02:00:10 PM »
Hmm said a gunman not a gun killed them. Maybe they should stop allowing citizens to purchase rope too. Which brings to thought, what kind of car did he drive to the school?

If you make guns illegal, only criminals will have guns. You? You'll be found laying next to the phone, wrapped in the cord.... were you trying to dial 911??

Really no offense but.....

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2006, 02:02:55 PM »
I thought Amish are not allowed to have guns.  Guns are "modern tools" right? :D

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2006, 02:03:42 PM »
I have evolved a bit past the gun debate.  this is at its core, a matter of one human being doing horrible harm to other innocent undefended human beings.  Children, young women from the sound of it. There is no gun debate here.  Not from me.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2006, 02:28:59 PM »
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I thought Amish are not allowed to have guns.  Guns are "modern tools" right? :D

for someone reason that smiley looks out of place.  just me.

Who said the gunman was Amish?

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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2006, 02:29:42 PM »
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You know, it's odd. There has been access to firearms in the US for over 200 years and yet it's only in the past 20 years or so that we have started seeing such incidents take place. Make that 50 years for the rare "crime spree" like from In Cold Blood.

Since a piece of steel with some wood doesn't have any psychoactive powers over someone's free will, perhaps there is something at work in society beyond guns? No gun, and the same guy is instead bringing those girls a batch of cupcakes today I suppose.

Frankly, I can honestly see more of a link to popular culture for these types of things, including television and video games. The gun situation has remained the same, HS social pressures have hardly changed I suppose -- angst, social outsiders and the A-list. "Children can be cruel..." is not a new saying. What has changed has been the glorification of mass violence and using mass violence as revenge.

Take the action hero movie where the hero's family is killed in the first 15 minutes and 1.5 hours and 100 bad guy bodies later he's snuggling with the hot new love interest -- burning exploded building in the background -- dead baddie hoincho at his feet with all of his problems behind him. Now take the glorification of violence for the already predisposed and substitute the family-killing gangland criminals for kids that made fun of me or rejected me; add the chance to take part in celebrity culture through infamy by going out with a bang and here's what we get.

Shootings like this are a symptom of a sick culture, at some levels and extremes. Guns are a tool. Make the tool go away, if you remotely can, and the sickness remains.

We accept the bad with the good where the 1st Amendment is concerend, just like we do in so many areas. I support this, warts and all. Look at how many people the "Turner Diaries" helped kill. We realize that the diesel fuel and fertilizer didn't make the federal building explode on its own, nor the Turner Diaries which clearly and directly influenced McVie. We blame the sick criminal for that act. How many people will the latest ******* movie put in the hospital? [edit: Movie title that starts with "Jack" and ends with slang for "Donkey"... little too PC here with the word filter perhaps :)] How many underage pregnancies will MTV lead to this year by showing 12-year-olds how cool it is to hook up with the local hotties.

To bring up that comparison I've used before, I'm sure more underage drinkers died from alcohol this weekend than died in this shooting. It's a continual, grinding body count. There is a lot less media attention with these though (unless it's one of the all to common mutliple DUI death scenarios). I know for a statistical fact, and through personal experience, that when my son reaches HS age he will be at far more risk from alcohol than firearms. Risk and all though, we accept that.

But, where firearms are concerend personal responsibility always seems to take a back seat. Let's look for a firearm bandaid instead of trying to solve the actual problems leading human beings to committ these acts.

[edit: one reason is that firearm prohabition allows politicians to seem to be doing something about the problem without having to undertake the monumental, uphill battle involved with actually solving the root sources of violence in our society today (drug addiction/prohabition; inner city poverty; free speech rights vs. responsibilities vs. entertainment revenue; etc.) The results are half-assed measures suitable for the ignorant and those who influence them, that ultimately do next to nothing to solve the actual problems.]


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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2006, 02:33:47 PM »
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You know, it's odd. There has been access to firearms in the US for over 200 years and yet it's only in the past 20 years or so that we have started seeing such incidents take place. Make that 50 years for the rare "crime spree" like from In Cold Blood.

Since a piece of steel with some wood doesn't have any psychoactive powers over someone's free will, perhaps there is something at work in society beyond guns? No gun, and the same guy is instead bringing those girls a batch of cupcakes today I suppose.

Frankly, I can honestly see more of a link to popular culture for these types of things, including television and video games. The gun situation has remained the same, HS social pressures have hardly changed I suppose -- angst, social outsiders and the A-list. "Childern can be cruel..." is not a new saying. What has changed has been the glorification of mass violence and using mass violence as revenge.

Take the action hero movie where the hero's family is killed in the second scene, and 45 minutes and 100 bad guy bodies later he's snuggling with the hot new love interest, burning exploded building in the background, dead baddie hoincho at his feet, with all his problems behind him. Now take he glorification of violence for the already predisposed and substitute the family-killing gangland criminals for kids that made fun of me or rejected me; add the chance to take part in celebrity culture through infamy by going out with a bang and here's what we get.

Shootings like this are a symptom of a sick culture, at some levels and extremes. Guns are a tool. Make the tool go away, if you remotely can, and the sickness remains.

We accept the bad with the good where the 1st Amendment is concerend, just like we do in so many areas. I support this, warts and all. Look at how many people the "Turner Diaries" helped kill. We realize that the diesel fuel and fertilizer didn't make the federal building explode on its own, nor the Turner Diaries which clearly and directly influenced McVie. We blame the sick criminal for that act. How many people with the latest ******* put in the hospital? How many underage pregnancies will MTV lead to this year by showing 12-year-olds how cool it is to hook up with the local hotties.

To bring up that comparison I've used before, I'm sure more underage drinkers died from alcohol this weekend than died in this shooting. There was a lot less media attention (unless it's one of the all to common mutliple DUI death scenarios. I know for a statistical fact, and through personal experience, that when my son reaches HS age he will be at far more risk from alcohol than firearms. Risk and all though, we accept that.

But, where firearms are concerend personal responsibility always seems to take a back seat. Let's look for a firearm bandaid instead of trying to solve the actual problems leading human beings to committ these acts.

Charon


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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2006, 02:35:38 PM »
Cowards.  

If you want to off yourself, just eat the barrel.  There is no need to take others with you or make some sort of statement. :mad:

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2006, 02:44:04 PM »
well put charon..

ripley... schools are gun free zones... that is why you see so many crazed people go there to shoot the poor teachers and students who are harmless to them.  It is allways nice to know that you have the only weapon around right?

Places where guns are freely allowed like gun stores and shooting ranges and police stations and parts of military bases are not popular places for crazed shootings.

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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2006, 02:49:53 PM »
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Places where guns are freely allowed like gun stores and shooting ranges and police stations and parts of military bases are not popular places for crazed shootings.

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2006, 03:00:21 PM »
Charon,

Very well said sir.


Ripley, try looking something up. Upon actual research you'll find that the Amish have a history of total non violence, it's a part of their particular beliefs. Given that factual situation anyone deciding to "pick on them" or target them for anything knows he has a society that is steadfast in the refusal to defend themselves. Kind of what some of Congress lesser cranially gifted folks are trying to make the rest of the country into.

Of course that is kind of counter to your juvinile attempt to be sarcastic and make fun of the loss of life from criminal action.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2006, 03:07:24 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2006, 03:39:12 PM »
This is truely sad...I just saw on CNN that this piece of watermelon bound 10 girls, ranging from the ages of 6-16, and had them facing the blackboard as he shot them point blank into the back of their skull execution style...My heart goes out to all the family and friends, and I really hope this scum bag is burning in the fires of hell right now...
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