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Offline Seagoon

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« on: October 05, 2006, 11:23:41 PM »
Alright I'll admit this is partially Seagoon venting...

I started off the day reading an email update from a missionary who lives with his family in a village in a Muslim nation [I am not allowed to tell you were.] He has lived there for several years. Before he arrived they had no electricity or clean water or medical facilities or school. Since he has been there, he managed to get a pump with a rudimentary but effective filter installed, they have a clinic visited by a medical missionary on semi-regular basis, and he and his wife have established a school. They still do not have electricity. The villagers have suffered enormous persecution for their faith over the years, if I told you how, you might be able to guess the nation, so I'll let it go at that. The point is, in a material sense they have nothing, their government and most of their countrymen wish they didn't exist, and yet they do not complain about their lot, do not feel they have less than they deserve and while they don't enjoy persecution,  they are by and large happy. I know of several similar stories.

Then I had to do about an hour and a half driving, during which time I flipped between news stations and talk radio. The overarching theme was one of continuous whining. Here were people from the richest and most free nation on earth constantly complaining about their economy, their healthcare, their politicians, their jobs, etc. I couldn't help but be struck by the contrast, between their life in the village and ours in the USA.

* They have to deal with constant persecution, we haven't suffered a major terrorist attack in 5 years... but we are the ones constantly complaining either about not being safe or what being safe requires and never stop to realize that there are people out there who have never been safe from attack for their entire lives, and never will be

* They live under a government that does nothing to help them, wishes them harm and which they have no say in and cannot effect or change, we live in a Republic where we have the opportunity to change the administration every 4 years via a peaceful organized and heavily monitored voting process and where entitlement programs make up the largest part of the budget... and yet we are the ones who constantly compare our leaders to "Hitler" and act as though we were the ones living under a brutal dictatorship

* The only healthcare they get is rudimentary and provided via donated assistance from this country and could be permanently terminated at any moment... We have the highest standard of healthcare on earth and yet we act as though we're hopelessly hard done by because there are still a few diseases out there we can't yet cure.

* They have a subsistence economy and live hand to mouth, if you can't get it out of the ground by your own sweat, you don't have it. None of them have even seen a flush toilet. The poorest members of our society live like kings by comparison, and our economy is constantly improving, our consumption growing and our technology leaping ahead. Yet to listen to the conversation in the media, you'd think we are only a few steps away from needing the UN to ship rice to us while Sally Struthers asks in Swedish "Can't you do more to help these poor starving Americans???"

It seems to me that we have become like the spoiled child sitting in a room amidst an ocean of toys and screaming "I have nothing to play with!"
« Last Edit: October 05, 2006, 11:26:05 PM by Seagoon »
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2006, 11:27:43 PM »
And damned proud of it!
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2006, 11:33:16 PM »
A whine about whining has been recorded.


They way I figure it, the reason why the US kicked so much bellybutton was because it was built by people that weren't satisfied with living in a ****hole with no standard of living.

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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2006, 11:36:26 PM »
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They way I figure it, the reason why the US kicked so much bellybutton was because it was built by people that weren't satisfied with living in a ****hole with no standard of living.


Hell that's the story of human evolution.

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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2006, 11:51:14 PM »
Yes Seagoon, you are a spoiled nation.

But fear not!  Big Daddy Canada will still help you, and love you like you were our very own, even though you are the red headed step child.

Just make sure you keep letting us build Fords, Chev's, Chryslers...keep feeding us other stuff to. We need them to make you feel inferior.

Oh, and please stop trying to send Celine Dion back. She's yours now, we got rid of her fair and square!

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2006, 11:56:21 PM »
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Hell that's the story of human evolution.


Really? How's Africa faired so far, being the birthplace of civilization?

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2006, 12:33:50 AM »
Hi Thrawn,

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Originally posted by Thrawn
A whine about whining has been recorded.


They way I figure it, the reason why the US kicked so much bellybutton was because it was built by people that weren't satisfied with living in a ****hole with no standard of living.


There is nothing wrong with a desire to improve one's standard of living, or prosper, or hand on the benefits of one's labor to one's children and hope that they continue to prosper. What we appear to have lost entirely, however, is virtues like gratitude and contentment.

For instance, in by gone years after one had prospered or come through a crisis the nation would respond with thanksgiving. Today it seems we never bother to be thankful for what we have, or what good providences have been granted us, all we do is whine about what's wrong whether those wrongs are real or imagined and complain that we always deserve more and better than we have. The glass isn't full to the very tippy top and why should I be grateful for anything? Its always less than I should have in any event.

For instance, how many articles do we see where the writer is thankful unemployment is low and falling? All we hear are that the plentiful jobs aren't good enough, etc.

If I encounter a person who is never happy, thankful, content, satisfied or grateful, I do not do well as a counselor to assume that person is "well" at heart. You ask me, the nation or at very least the elites and the chattering class in our media, is also spiritually sick at heart. Feel free to convince me that I'm wrong, this is not an issue where I want to be right.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2006, 12:36:08 AM »
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Hell that's the story of human evolution.
Heh, I know that was just to get under someone's skin.

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2006, 01:26:05 AM »
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Really? How's Africa faired so far, being the birthplace of civilization?


Africa is not the birth place of civilization.
Its the birth place of the species.

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2006, 02:01:19 AM »
Yes.  We are spoiled and selfish.  We've no corner on the market.  Just a prominent storefront.

Regards,

hap

p.s.  "The Compendium to the Social Doctrine of the Church" came out in fall of 2005.  Amazing amazing, wonderful, and amazing.  Seagoon, if you've not read it, I'll send you one.

It's as radical and divine as is God's charity.

Regards,

hap

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2006, 05:12:35 AM »
My little brother's moved to the US about 4 years ago.  He wasn't in the same situation as you've described, Seagoon, but what he knew up to then was nothing easy..  
In one of the French riots threads I described some things on topic, and at some point Dago said it all stank of lack of self respect.
That was true, and even at the time of the events I described, I knew it, and surely everyone involved knew it too, but they'd accepted it like feeble little sheep, lemmings with no spine to endure the upwards effort of improving their conditions, by doing nothing less than their best.
Before moving to the US, he had nothing, and was more or less sitting on the fence, between that lack of self respect, and pride and wisdom of knowing better than to just go that path of least resistance.

Now he's had long enough to aclimatize to the US completely, andmakes 2.5k a month on some semi-entrepreneurship, and has nearly given up his studies in marketing because "math is too hard".  Apparently he's managed to get stuck before even pre-calculus.. everything else is done, it's all he needs to do before the last stretch to his diplomas.
He spends all his earnings in fashion and clubbing, text messages and bank overdrafts.

When I get back, I'm going to kick his sorry ass...
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2006, 07:01:31 AM »
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Really? How's Africa faired so far, being the birthplace of civilization?


Seems its gone through the cycle just like we will.
Rise to greatness, peak, and then then into decline.

Funny. Now that Im thinking about it. You can almost trace the spread of humanity by making note of the order in which nations, or areas of the world which have turned great
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2006, 07:31:23 AM »
Civilization bounces around the planet. While the people are working hard to create such a civilization its a powerhouse...once accomplished and they sit down to take a break, it falls apart, and moves over a continent.

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2006, 07:49:09 AM »
you have just described entropy.  the no God types would have you believe that entropy does not exist.

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2006, 07:50:40 AM »
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Its the birth place of the species.
really?  says who?