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« Reply #180 on: October 10, 2006, 10:14:46 PM »
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open your eyes and see what israel does OUTSIDE of its borders EVERY day.


your not getting off that easy.

start citing references.

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« Reply #181 on: October 10, 2006, 10:16:56 PM »
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Anyhow, Israel is no shirking violet, but the troubles may have had something to do with the constant attacks from Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and so on during the 1950s through 1970s.  Ya think?


And that nation is trying to rule the world!
Looks like  geography is not popular in US schools.

Israel borders on Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt. No way it could be attacked from Iran or Iraq, they are too far from it.

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Vulcan, just for the record - it is not about communism or islam. It is about flagrant ignorance of the "rulers of the world".

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« Reply #182 on: October 10, 2006, 10:20:51 PM »
isn't hezzbollah supported by Iran/Syria?

you won't find that in geography.

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« Reply #183 on: October 10, 2006, 10:38:17 PM »
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isn't hezzbollah supported by Iran/Syria?

you won't find that in geography.

Isn't  the hezbolla resistance to Israelys
occupation?You won't find it in US or Israelys books that's for sure.
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« Reply #184 on: October 10, 2006, 10:41:06 PM »
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Why would Israel even need to test nukes.If Israel will ever detonate nuke it's gonna be American made nuke just like any other weapon in Israely army.
No offence


I didn't realize that this This was an American company.

I suppose you've never heard of the Merkava Tank, or the dozens of other products you'll find on this site. See, the Israelis actually produce things. If you want to point fingers at groups of people that produce nothing, point it at their neighbors.

As for me and my Jewishness, please don't act like you know me. There are more Jews in the US than in Israel, and if it wasn't for their support, Israel would have ceased to exist a long time ago.

As far as 'going there', thanks but no thanks. I'll practice my right to free speech just like they practice their right to burn flags, effigies, and blow up cafes whenever the mood strikes or the world forgets, momentarily, that they're alive and kicking. I have no sympathy for any of them and I never will. I don't expect you to have any for Israel, or, for that matter, for the Jews as a whole.

The difference, is the Jews don't need it.

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Hezbollah as resistence? That's a laugh. I've never heard of a resistence force implementing a first-strike strictly on civilian target policy. I would, however, like to see who edited YOUR history books. Everyone seems to think that only theirs tell the truth.
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« Reply #185 on: October 10, 2006, 10:42:27 PM »
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How has NK or Iran been bullied?


Maybe closer to the truth is the rethoric and unpredictable nature of these two self-isolated countries has caused the world to view them with caution.

Maybe if Israel had been saying it will whipe the Arabs off the face of the map, or that they could send a nuke into Los Angles ( like NK has warned), then the world would take note.

As it is, NK and Iran are outcast, nutjob countries that nobody much trusts.......for good reason.

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« Reply #186 on: October 10, 2006, 10:45:34 PM »
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Originally posted by -Concho-
isn't hezzbollah supported by Iran/Syria?

you won't find that in geography.


I won't look for this in geography books, I studied not only geography.
Let do not talk about Hezzbollah. First, it's politics, and second, Vulcan doesn't like islam subjects.

Let look into the history. First terrorists on the Middle East were Jews. Arab world had no idea about terror methods until Jews came there. Ask Britons, they should remember King David Hotel, Natanya, Lord Moyne in Cairo, etc. Hostages, letter-bombs - all that were brought to Midle East by Jews, illiterate arab peasants just had no idea about existing  of such things.

But looks like they can learn.

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« Reply #187 on: October 10, 2006, 10:48:59 PM »
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Originally posted by Overlag
because israel has created this mess.


If Israeli behaved like their neighbors, there would not be a Middle East. Israel started this mess by coming into existence. They exist, and therefore there are problems. Asking somebody to cease and desist from that particular course of action is not realistic.

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Hostages, letter-bombs - all that were brought to Midle East by Jews, illiterate arab peasants just had no idea about existing  of such things.

But looks like they can learn.


The Jews had pretty good teachers too, far more efficient than any before or since... Of course, your next statement may be that perhaps there is no concrete proof that that whole thing even happened.
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« Reply #188 on: October 10, 2006, 10:49:17 PM »
kgb-
Hezbollah's goal is to destroy Israel, not resist occupation.


Vad-
you stated that Iran cannot attack Israel, yet the do constantly thru hezbollah.

edit to add:  Vad it seems you have some deep bias here.

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« Reply #189 on: October 10, 2006, 11:07:09 PM »
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The Jews had pretty good teachers too, far more efficient than any before or since... Of course, your next statement may be that perhaps there is no concrete proof that that whole thing even happened.


No, I don't want to deny Holocaust if you meant that.
But could you explain me why Jews blew up Britts? I always thought that it was Germany who was responsible for concentration camps, Holocaust, 6 millions killed... And in some history books I read that Great Britain was our ally., who actually saved Jews from complete elimination.
Did that books lie?
Why Jews blew up Britons?
Did they study history in American schools?

And what a hell arabs did wrong?

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« Reply #190 on: October 10, 2006, 11:21:30 PM »
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If Israeli behaved like their neighbors, there would not be a Middle East. Israel started this mess by coming into existence.

Israel was proclamed iregardles on protests
of Palestinians,on territory that Israel had no rights for.First war with arabs was two weeks later(what a surprise it was).
As for US jews supporting Irael,I don't think so.US tax payers support Israel.Israely weapons,I'm not even gonna look,I bet components of that tank are American,plus where the hell Israel  gets that much iron,oh righ,US money.
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« Reply #191 on: October 10, 2006, 11:24:05 PM »
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Vad-
you stated that Iran cannot attack Israel, yet the do constantly thru hezbollah.

Hezzbollah is product of Israel occupation of Lebanon. Do  you see anything wrong in Resistance in France during WW2? I don'tt think so. But Germans considered them as bandits. Now history repeated, but you are on the German side.
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edit to add:  Vad it seems you have some deep bias here.


I don't have any bias. It is not my life, and it never was. I just can look on that from different points of view. I saw and heared a lot in my life, and now don't believe anybody. I just try to think and analize by myself. Living now in North America I can see that 99.99% of local population can only watch TV and eat what they were served. I asked some questions here, and I don't see any answers, just batlle-cries, cliche from TV.

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« Reply #192 on: October 10, 2006, 11:47:26 PM »
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As for US jews supporting Irael,I don't think so.US tax payers support Israel.Israely weapons,I'm not even gonna look,I bet components of that tank are American,plus where the hell Israel  gets that much iron,oh righ,US money.


Once again, Kommitechik, don't pretend like you know me. Don't pretend like you know where, how and to whom I make financial contributions. As for the site, I wasn't expecting you to look. People like you are never short on certainty, in anything they say.

Israel has no right to exist, yeah yeah, learn a new song... The Arabs won't rest until it is so, well, I think that that sort of resolve needs to be answered with similar resolve.

Here's my version: If the middle east were turned into a glass parking lot tomorrow, with Israel as the sole oasis amidst the landcape of total annihilation, the world would be a better place the day after.

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« Reply #193 on: October 11, 2006, 12:11:12 AM »
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Its sad a madman finaly got his millitary toy,


He had a lot of help and received enough western aid $$$$ to finance it.

Abdul Qadeer Khan, nuclear proliferator extraordinaire, gets most of the credit

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10405285


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Khan, who developed the world's first Islamic nuclear bomb for Pakistan in a top-secret programme, in the mid-1980s opened his own private "supermarket", which sold secrets to anyone who would pay


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Through his network, Khan sent North Korea nearly two dozen P-1 centrifuges, and an unknown number of more sophisticated P-11 centrifuges, says President Pervez Musharraf, who debriefed the Pakistani scientist after his fall from grace

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« Reply #194 on: October 11, 2006, 12:12:40 AM »
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I won't look for this in geography books, I studied not only geography.
Let do not talk about Hezzbollah. First, it's politics, and second, Vulcan doesn't like islam subjects.

Let look into the history. First terrorists on the Middle East were Jews. Arab world had no idea about terror methods until Jews came there. Ask Britons, they should remember King David Hotel, Natanya, Lord Moyne in Cairo, etc. Hostages, letter-bombs - all that were brought to Midle East by Jews, illiterate arab peasants just had no idea about existing  of such things.

But looks like they can learn.


OK Vad, lets look at history and see who learned from whom:

First, for those that claim the Jews "stole" Arab land:

The Jews first established a Jewish nation in Canaan around 1300BC, that's about 3,300 years ago. Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the 1st Temple in 587BC afterwhich Babylonian, Persian, Greek Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Islamic and Christian crusaders, Ottoman Empire, and the British Empire all ruled the area.

Arabs were an almost non-existant population in the region the Roman's renamed "Palestine" until the fall of the Byzantine empire (a Christian empire BTW) and the six Muslim crusades of 632-750AD during which the Arabs conquered all of what's now called the Middle East, Persia, North Africa and Spain.  Palestine was occupied by both Jews and Christians before the Muslim crusades.  The first Christian Crusade to retake the Holy Land from the Muslims came in 1099 (so much for who started what and the oft-quoted idea that the Crusades were just an evil Christian attack on innocent little Muslims).  

After the fall of the Ottoman Empire following WWI the Palestine region was controlled by the Brits.  It was during this time the "modern" conflict began.

-The first attacks by Arabs against the Jews in modern times began in 1920.  In March, Arabs attacked Jews in Galilee.
-Apr4-7 1920 the first large Arab/Jewish conflict were the Nebi Musa riots in which an Arab mob attacked and killed 5 jews.  
-In 1929 the Palistine Riots (133 Jews dead).
-What could arguably be called the first terrorist attack by the Arabs against the Jews was probably the Hebron Massacre in 1939 where Arabs murdered 67 Jews after which they occupied the town and held it until the 1967 war.  
-1936 "The Great Uprising".  Probably the first conflict that could be called a war.  The Arabs revolted against the Brits for allowing Jewish immigration. 4000 Arabs, 400 Jews and 200 Brits died.  The great majority of the Arabs were killed by the Brits (including 140 executed).  The Jewish Irgun terrorist organization was formed during the uprising.
-From 1939-1945 the Black Hand, an Islamist terrorist group conducted what could have been the first purely religiously motivated terrorist activities against the Jews destroying synagoges, Jewish businesses and killing 6 Jews.
-In 1930 20 Arabs were killed by a bomb and 13 more killed by shooters.  The attack isn't credited to any particular group.
-From 1940 to 1949 Lehi, Irgun and Haganah all participate in attacks on British forces and all three are arguably Jewish terrorist organizations.
-1946. Irgun bombs the King David Hotel killing 91.  The hotel was the British administration headquarters, not a civilian hotel.  The Brits were warned of the attack about half an hour before the bomb went off but they didn't evacuate the building.

Since you're historically challenged, I'll remind you that Israel was not established until 1948.  Since 1948 over 3,200 Jews have been murdered by Arab terrorists and thousands injured.
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