North Korea appears to have gone ahead and done it...

[Warspawn]

Looks like the UK has promised to be on-board for action similar to the one taken vs. Saddam Hussein.  Maybe one more insane leader taken out by a united force is what's needed for the rest of the world to understand the rules.  Here's what was pledged long ago by PM Blair:

Tony Blair today pledged that after dealing with Iraq, the UN would confront North Korea about its nuclear weapons programme.
The prime minister was giving an impassioned defence of the government's position on Iraq during his weekly question time when an anti-war MP shouted: "Who's next?"

Replying to the heckle, Mr Blair said: "After we deal with Iraq we do, yes, through the UN, have to confront North Korea about its weapons programme".

FROM:  Blair: North Korea is next

Staff and agencies
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,11538,884753,00.html

*edited-->this is an old article.  Was searching for recent stuff and for some reason this was in the pile I was looking through.

What ever happened to the meeting last year?  BBC article:

N Korea to 'give up nuclear aims'  
 
North Korean delegates gave a standing ovation as the talks ended
North Korea has agreed to give up all nuclear activities and rejoin the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, in a move diplomats called a breakthrough.
-- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4259128.stm

[~Caligula~]

take `em out before they can put that thing on the tip of a missle.....and screw koffi

my 2 cents

[~Caligula~]

actually getting a south korean in the place of koffi could be the best thing to do. he won`t be crying he`s eyes out about lebanon while letting scores getting raped and murdered in darfur.....i`m sure he`ll stick it up to nk as well. it`s time the un gets some credibility.

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by Overlag
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

you will probably stop after 30seconds. If you dont watch the whole thing, you dont get to see what the US media says, vs the world media..





http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/media/Which_deaths_matter.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4294502.stm

a aggressive, oppressive ocupation of palestine, which is Illegal.

OMG, Noam Chomsky is the first listed on the board of directors for the film producer (Media Education Foundation) of the film and the first interviewed.  Look at the other stuff on MEF's website, just a tiny bit left-wing. Here  

They tip their hand right up front with the text "In 1967, following a war between Israel and the countries of Syria, Jordan and Egypt, Israel militarily occupied the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem."  

Let deconstruct this.  On reading this, wouldn't you have to wonder who started the war?  I do wonder why it isn't mentioned since it has a significant impact on the reason Israel still controls these three areas.  Isn't it significant that it was a defensive war where three Arab countries attacked Israel at the same time?  

Here's a small but interesting point, notice the use of the word "countries" in front Syria, Jordan and Egypt.  Not really necessary unless the viewer is an idiot and doesn't know this but why, if necessary to clearly state that the Arab states are "countries" why is Israel just called Israel?  Perhaps a subtle hint that Israel isn't really a legitimate country? It's sort of like the left that drops the title "President" when talking about George Bush.  It's just a subtle but childish attempt to say he's not legitimate, or he's not "my" president.

Nowhere does the film show what started particular conflicts depicted, only showing the Israeli response.  Notice that they only show Palestinian kids throwing stones....let's not have any of that nasty bombs and RPG stuff...unless you can use it to make the Israelies look bad.  Sort of like ignoring Hitler and only showing D-Day and the bombing of Berlin.  This isn't any different than left-wing propaganda.

I love them bringing up economic issues as if an Intifada has no negative results for the locals while the Israeli response does.  BTW, you happen to see that Arafat's wife Suha is receiving a multi-million dollar a year stipend to spend as she wants?  You'd think at least some of that money Arafat and his family collected could have helped the average Palestinian, but I'm glad to see that Suha won't have to pinch too many pennies.  Oh, and speaking of Arafat, here's a nice little summary of one of his heroic acts as an "insurgent":

Perhaps his signal contribution to the practice of political terror was the introduction of warfare against children. On one black date in May 1974, three PLO terrorists slipped from Lebanon into the northern Israeli town of Ma'alot. They murdered two parents and a child whom they found at home, then seized a local school, taking more than 100 boys and girls hostage and threatening to kill them unless a number of imprisoned terrorists were released. When Israeli troops attempted a rescue, the terrorists exploded hand grenades and opened fire on the students. By the time the horror ended, 25 people were dead; 21 of them were children.  Here  Jezze...I am really, really surprised this didn't make it into the film, I mean to be fair it covers both sides of the issue doesn't it?

Also, note that they mention things like blockades, control of the roads and delayed ambulence service.  Couldn't possibly have anything to do with attempting to stop the transportation of weapons and terrorists could it? Maybe the Intifada? Oh, and the ambulance thing....guess what one of the terrorist's favorite transportation means is....yeah...ambulances.

That and more propaganda is in only in the first 10 minutes.

Goebbles would be very happy with this "film".

[Overlag]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
actually getting a south korean in the place of koffi could be the best thing to do. he won`t be crying he`s eyes out about lebanon while letting scores getting raped and murdered in darfur.....i`m sure he`ll stick it up to nk as well. it`s time the un gets some credibility.

no one listens to UN.... not even israel

[lukster]

Originally posted by Overlag
no one listens to UN.... not even israel

On that we can agree. Huge money sink that can be put to much better use.

[Warspawn]

Quick question about the Palestine thing.

I read long ago in several sources that there was no country called 'Palestine' or a 'Palestinian' racial origin.  According to some old UK sources the only people inhabiting the region when the state of Israel was formed were some Bedouin nomads.

Sort of like building a hotel and asking the homeless man with a cardboard box in the alley if he'd mind the construction of it.  And offering him a free room once it's been built.

If the Arab states are so worried about the current people referred to as "Palestinians", why hasn't Jordan, Syria, Egypt or any of the others offered them property to establish a home within their borders?  Maybe it's easier to keep them stirred up by refusing such a thing.

And what's the deal with the advertisment on the tv channel with a child telling his friends that he's sacrificed himself for his people and that he now has a place in paradise with Allah for eternity.  Does Mohammed need children martyrs now or something?

Sometimes I wish we'd just park an Aegis cruiser off the coast and 'adjust' the programming of some of the propaganda channels with a few 'accidentally released' Tomahawk cruise missles.

[~Caligula~]

Originally posted by Warspawn
Quick question about the Palestine thing.

I read long ago in several sources that there was no country called 'Palestine' or a 'Palestinian' racial origin.  According to some old UK sources the only people inhabiting the region when the state of Israel was formed were some Bedouin nomads.

Sort of like building a hotel and asking the homeless man with a cardboard box in the alley if he'd mind the construction of it.  And offering him a free room once it's been built.

If the Arab states are so worried about the current people referred to as "Palestinians", why hasn't Jordan, Syria, Egypt or any of the others offered them property to establish a home within their borders?  Maybe it's easier to keep them stirred up by refusing such a thing.

And what's the deal with the advertisment on the tv channel with a child telling his friends that he's sacrificed himself for his people and that he now has a place in paradise with Allah for eternity.  Does Mohammed need children martyrs now or something?

Sometimes I wish we'd just park an Aegis cruiser off the coast and 'adjust' the programming of some of the propaganda channels with a few 'accidentally released' Tomahawk cruise missles.

and how about the refugee camps in lebanon,jordan and gaza? i mean there have been refugee camps in europe after countless conflicts and changed borders. them people have been helped and integrated into whatever country`s society they were in. these poor bastards are kept for decades as political weapons.....

...just as bad as a country having a nuke that can`t feed it`s people. btw i`m more worried about pakistan having the bomb. their president is sure in the crosshair of some terrorists.who knows when he`ll be popped and he`s country with all it`s nukes taken over by some numbnutts?

[~Caligula~]

Originally posted by lukster
On that we can agree. Huge money sink that can be put to much better use.

i aggree.but maybe if it won`t be a biased punk as koffi or a former ss running the show,things could change. i mean is the us was going and doing as it pleased just because it could,that`d be pretty dangerous too.
i know americans belive that whatever is good for them is good for everyone else,but even americans aren`t allways right.

let me just hope for the best...

[Overlag]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
and how about the refugee camps in lebanon,jordan and gaza? i mean there have been refugee camps in europe after countless conflicts and changed borders. them people have been helped and integrated into whatever country`s society they were in. these poor bastards are kept for decades as political weapons.....

...just as bad as a country having a nuke that can`t feed it`s people. btw i`m more worried about pakistan having the bomb. their president is sure in the crosshair of some terrorists.who knows when he`ll be popped and he`s country with all it`s nukes taken over by some numbnutts?

israel has destroyed countless refugee camps......

any anyway why should they move away from there land?

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by Overlag
israel has destroyed countless refugee camps......

any anyway why should they move away from there land?

You just don't pay attention do you?

Chew on these numbers a bit sport.  Israel has 1,377,100 Arabs living within the borders and this doesn't include the West Bank and Gaza.  How many Jews have been allowed to live in Arab countries?  Last count was about 6,000 total Jews living in Arab countries.  That's 6,000 Jews total in  Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc., etc., etc.  Israel is smaller than New Jersey but they've got almost a million and a half Arabs?  Seems sorta strange that if the Israelies are committing Arabic genocide there would be that many Arabs still living within Israel.  Oh, and every year the number goes up.  Guess the Jews just aren't as good at genocide as the Arabs.

[Mace2004]

Originally posted by Warspawn
Quick question about the Palestine thing.

I read long ago in several sources that there was no country called 'Palestine' or a 'Palestinian' racial origin.  According to some old UK sources the only people inhabiting the region when the state of Israel was formed were some Bedouin nomads.

You got it right.  There never has been a country of Palestine. The region that was called "Palestine" actually included Israel, Gaza, the West Bank and all of Jordan .  I find it interesting that nobody seems to question the fact that "Palestinians" only claim rights to the country of Israel and are second class citizens at best in Jordan.

[WMLute]

Israel's War of Independence is the first war between the State of Israel and the neighboring Arab countries. It started on the eve of the establishment of the state (May 14, 1948) and continued until January 1949. The war broke out following the rejection of the United Nation's Partition Plan, Resolution 181 of the General Assembly (November 29, 1949), by the Arab states and the Arab Higher Committee. The representatives of the Arab states threatened to use force in order to prevent the implementation of the resolution.
Stage 1: November 29, 1947 - March 31, 1948

Arab violence erupted the day after the ratification of Resolution 181. Shots were fired on a Jewish bus close to Lod airport, and a general strike declared by the Arab Higher Committee resulted in the setting fire and the plundering of the Jewish commercial district near the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. There were still 100,000 British troops stationed in Palestine, which were much stronger than both Arab and Israeli forces. Nevertheless, the British policy was not to intervene in the warfare between the two sides, except in order to safeguard the security of British forces and facilities. During this period, Arab military activities consisted of sniping and the hurling of bombs at Jewish transportation along main traffic arteries to isolated Jewish neighborhoods in ethnically mixed cites and at distant settlements.

vs. what you posted

After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947).  One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being.

We have to disect your version a bit as it glossed over, or left out, some important facts.

Yours skipped over the whole "the Arabs rejected the UN resolution and attacked the Jew's" bit.  Israel was not the agressor, the Arabs were.  

On 14 May 1948 the State of Israel was proclaimed according to the UN partition plan (1947). Less than 24 hours later, the regular armies of Egypt, Trans-Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq invaded the country, forcing Israel to defend the sovereignty it had regained in its ancestral homeland. In what became known as Israel's War of Independence, the newly formed, poorly equipped Israel Defense Forces (IDF) repulsed the invaders in fierce intermittent fighting, which lasted some 15 months and claimed over 6,000 Israeli lives (nearly one percent of the country's Jewish population at the time).

The Jews accepted the U.N. plan, the Arabs didn't.  Instead of living in peace, the Arabs attacked the Jews  Your version just omitted some stuff.  I GUESS the author of your article just assumes that people have a basic grasp of history and know how those events unfolded.  Granted, most people do.  

You really need to try harder Overlag.  I asked for FACTS and uou gave me biased opinions.  Show me something that is considered factual that backs up your position.  The opinions given so far are nothing short of comical.  

THANKS you for posting that vid, which btw I had already watched before.  THAT bunch of tripe is pathetic.  The picture it paints isn't even kinda sorta based in this reality.  Is it THAT kinda garbage you are basing your opinions on?  Here's a clue, go read a history book.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Mace2004
You got it right.  There never has been a country of Palestine. The region that was called "Palestine" actually included Israel, Gaza, the West Bank and all of Jordan .  I find it interesting that nobody seems to question the fact that "Palestinians" only claim rights to the country of Israel and are second class citizens at best in Jordan.

Palestinian was a phrase coined by Yasser Arafat in 1974 in front of the U.N.  General Assembly.  Amazing that 32 years later people are so ignorant of history that they think it means a race of people.

The Palestinians have no more claim the that region then any other Arab from that region.  Heck, I am 1/2 Lebanese and I have as much of a "Right" to have an independant country in that region as any so called "Palestinian" does.

[-tronski-]

You mean like an independant nation called Lebanon?

 Tronsky