Author Topic: North Korea appears to have gone ahead and done it... (Read 7593 times)

-tronski- · « **Reply #60 on:** October 09, 2006, 06:16:51 AM »

Why can't they test them in the pacific or Kazakhstan like civilised nations...whoopeeed heathens!

Tronsky

Neubob · « **Reply #61 on:** October 09, 2006, 07:16:45 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
North Korea has on the order of 50 submarines. If they had to, they could sneak one of their boats onto the shores of any country with a coastline, and detonate the weapon.

I guess that SOSUS and its modern equivalent must be a real waste of taxpayer money. Either that or the North Koreans are weilding the Red October.

Koonan44 · « **Reply #62 on:** October 09, 2006, 07:25:49 AM »

Would it be possible to fake the test? As the power of atomic bombs is measured in tons of TNT, is it possible just to blow up 100 000 000kg's of TNT inside a mountain and say "Gee. our bomb works"

TNT only costs like 0.5euro/kg... even less

ok... spysatelites should spot those 10 000 trucks carrying explosives but anyways, is there something unique in fission bomb compared to regular explosives (when detonating underground.)

Chairboy · « **Reply #63 on:** October 09, 2006, 07:47:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Excel1
MAD is aptly named, and seemingly a ludicrous situation to be in , but I would have thought it must have played a part in preventing a strategic nuclear war with the Soviets just by the necessity of it's existence and use.

I wonder if you realize HOW close it came?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

If he hadn't disobeyed orders, we'd have had war. The early warning system detected a nuclear war at a time when tensions were high. He decided to violated orders and wait until he had radar confirmation (if it was real, then by that time it would have been too late).

Masherbrum · « **Reply #64 on:** October 09, 2006, 08:45:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Koonan44
Would it be possible to fake the test? As the power of atomic bombs is measured in tons of TNT, is it possible just to blow up 100 000 000kg's of TNT inside a mountain and say "Gee. our bomb works"

TNT only costs like 0.5euro/kg... even less

ok... spysatelites should spot those 10 000 trucks carrying explosives but anyways, is there something unique in fission bomb compared to regular explosives (when detonating underground.)

Yes it is VERY POSSIBLE that the test is faked, and waiting to see what happens next.

Neubob · « **Reply #65 on:** October 09, 2006, 09:50:32 AM »

Relax guys, Bush said it's 'unacceptable'. Everything will be alright.

cav58d · « **Reply #66 on:** October 09, 2006, 09:58:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Auger
Frankly, I think every country should have nukes. Balance of power and all that. It will make any first use of nuclear weapons a suicide mission when all of the other countries dump on the initiator. It may also get the electorate in the professed "free" countries to pay a bit more attention to whom they vote into office.

Not when you have nut jobs who put their ideology over their own surivial

Chairboy · « **Reply #67 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:06:41 AM »

I was listening to BBC this morning, and it was pretty funny. The reporter was talking to some international expert on the subject and kept trying to find ways to blame this test on the US, and the expert was having none of it. She would ask questions like "Doesn't the US deserve some measure of responsibility for driving North Korea to this?" and "Doesn't President Bush's use of the phrase 'axis of evil' make this something that was inevitable?". Each time, the expert guy would essentially say "Uh, nooooo" and I was left with the indelible impression that the reporter was an idiot. It was fantastic.

He quite clearly said that NK has pledged not to do this, had accepted hundreds of thousands of tons of free fuel oil in exchange for not doing this, and that the US was essentially feeding everyone under 14 in that country through a massive relief effort, and despite all of this, NK had poked everyone in the nose. He predicted that there would be an immediate response in the form of reduced aid, and that NK had caused China (it's biggest ally) to lose face, a dangerous thing to do.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #68 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:08:48 AM »

LMAO! You guys are a riot. This went down EXACTLY how I said it would.

NK says they did it, but they have no proof at all.

Therefor, they have not done it, and have no nuclear bombs.

Chairboy · « **Reply #69 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:12:29 AM »

Laser, the seismic evidence seems to suggest otherwise, and the official US position is that it did happen. Can you cite a source for your assertion?

Brenjen · « **Reply #70 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:16:20 AM »

Frankly; NOBODY should have nuclear weapons, unfortunately that's not the case. The ball is in Chinas court they won't do a thing, hell I bet they helped them make it; or at the very least a wink & a nod agreement to keep the U.S. off balance while they went about their rat killing. Reminds me of the "cheat & retreat" policy nations take when they want to do something the U.N. is against.

China: We agree with the U.S., this would be a very bad thing to have come about

U.S.: China & the U.S. are in agreement that the N.Koreans can't be allowed to have a nuclear device

N.Korea: Screw you American dogs; you are zionist hounds barking in the kennel of capitalism

China whispering: Pssttt; Kim....PSSSSSTTTT over here! Hello glorious neighbor; go ahead & send a train across the border & we'll load you up with whatever you need to make this happen - food - money - oil - scientists; just whatever. We love seeing these Americans run in cirlces like small noisy dogs.

N.Korea: Oh thank you very much, can we sell these once we knock out a few?

China: Sure, as long as none get into the hands of the un-happy student population of this country who detest our communist society & remember the tanks grinding their friends into paste in tiananmen square. Lisbon or London or even Washington D.C. would be ok though.....rice?

N.Korea: Yes thank you; umm, shouldn't we invite the Americans & the Japanes & S.Koreans to another set of talks? I think they are begining to get suspicious because of all the Chinese take out boxes in my trash.....

Brenjen · « **Reply #71 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:18:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Laser, the seismic evidence seems to suggest otherwise, and the official US position is that it did happen. Can you cite a source for your assertion?

The "official position" is still, no radiation detected & there is the possibility this was just a large amount of TNT that was detonated...(but I believe as you, it WAS a nuke)

Neubob · « **Reply #72 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:37:29 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
LMAO! You guys are a riot. This went down EXACTLY how I said it would.

NK says they did it, but they have no proof at all.

Therefor, they have not done it, and have no nuclear bombs.

You're kidding, right?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #73 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:43:43 AM »

Not at all. A large amount of TNT set off underground would have produced the same results. NK still has jack **** in the way of nuclear weapons.

Chairboy · « **Reply #74 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:46:43 AM »

Lasersailor: Can you explain why they would do something that could so easily be disproved and face international mockery?

Also, if the confirmation comes that there WAS a nuclear detonation, will you man up and say you were wrong? Inquiring minds want to know.