Author Topic: North Korea appears to have gone ahead and done it... (Read 7592 times)

lukster · « **Reply #75 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:52:07 AM »

If they did test a nuke I think Japan is going to have to respond with a change to their constitution and a buildup. A nuclear NK is a threat that Japan cannot ignore.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #76 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:56:49 AM »

I will man up. But so far, I've been completely right, and everyone has been taken for a ride.

For YEARS now NK has claimed they have nukes. Everytime they did so, the entire world would say, "Bull****! Prove it." and it would go away for a while.

The difference is this time NK claimed they have nukes, everyone in the world said, "Really?" and NK has been playing us ever since.

What do they have to gain? Everything. They are at rock bottom and incapable of anything. But claiming to have power, they are pushing over all the *****-footers who will not call them on it.

Neubob · « **Reply #77 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:57:32 AM »

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Not at all. A large amount of TNT set off underground would have produced the same results. NK still has jack **** in the way of nuclear weapons.

You know this for a fact? I was under the impression that the siesmic signature of massed high explosives and atomic detonations were not similar--something to do with the expansion rates of gases. Of course, what do I know, I don't have a degree in geology or related fields.

Chairboy · « **Reply #78 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:59:42 AM »

I've heard that the time it would take for Japan to manufacturer its first nuclear weapons can best be described as "a long weekend". I'm pretty sure that they have finely machined casings that need only the insertion of some custom made plastique, a ball of fuel from one of their power plants, and a timer/activation circuit that just happens to be in storage sitting somewhere. Everything inert and nicely legal (in terms of their non-militarization laws) but ready to be turned into megatons of fun in a couple days or less.

Chairboy · « **Reply #79 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:00:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
You know this for a fact? I was under the impression that the siesmic signature of massed high explosives and atomic detonations were not similar--something to do with the expansion rates of gases. Of course, what do I know, I don't have a degree in geology or related fields.

The shockwave for a nuclear event is sharper than the equivalent chemical explosion. The data is out there and being analyzed right now, we'll know by this evening if it was real or not.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #80 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:02:31 AM »

Err, when I said "same" I meant "Seismic." That's what I get for typing this in class and not paying attention.

Shuffler · « **Reply #81 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:04:41 AM »

China has a black eye now..... and I guarantee they are real concerned

Mace2004 · « **Reply #82 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:23:18 AM »

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Lasersailor: Can you explain why they would do something that could so easily be disproved and face international mockery?

Also, if the confirmation comes that there WAS a nuclear detonation, will you man up and say you were wrong? Inquiring minds want to know.

I have no idea if it was real or not but to think that something easily disproved would mean NK wouldn't do it is flat out wrong. Just look at the urban myths that are taken as fact right now. Global warming.....ahhh....I won't get started on this one but how about the one about Jews being warned to stay out of the twin towers for instance. Completely asinine claim and totally discredited by the facts, witnesses, and the list of dead yet this story is believed by large majorities in Europe and the Middle East. They could easily be counting on generating fear amongst the great unwashed masses to make it hard for governments to act or even change government positions similar to the Madrid train bombings which resulted in the election of a liberal government and pullout from Iraq. What affect would this have on the government of SK? As someone else mentioned, there are plenty that want to blame the US for the NK breaking their agreements. Given such a large anti-US mindset amongst the leftists in the world I can forsee significant condemnation of the US for what NK has "done" whether or not the facts support the claim or not.

Sparks · « **Reply #83 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:25:51 AM »

IF they did have a bomb, my worry would not be whether it was capable of being put on a misile but whether it would fit in a standard 38ft container.

IMHO we are much more likely to have the next "Big Bang" come sailing in to somehwere like LA, Seattle, New York in a big annonymous box with 6000 others labeled "Microwave ovens - made in China"

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #84 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:05:41 PM »

I guess it's time to start stockpiling canned supplies to the basement..

cav58d · « **Reply #85 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:48:53 PM »

I dont see why people are questioning, and finding it so hard to believe that NK does have a nuke...I mean its not like Clinton, Carter and Albright didnt just hand them over two reactors in the mid 90's!

Chairboy · « **Reply #86 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:50:51 PM »

It's not "people in general", it's just Lasersailor.

Warchief · « **Reply #87 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:55:10 PM »

The biggest factors to consider is this right now. China and Russia probably wanted NK to have Nuclear powerplants due to the influx of cash to the two countries. Neither wanted them to have Nukes. Because now China has lost face and will be held responsibility of what has happened in one shape or form. NK missils do not have the capacity to carry a Nuke to hit the US at the moments. But it can hit Japan (Huge US Ally), South Korea(US ally), CHina(HAS NUKES), and Russia(HAS NUKES). If NK was to bomb either South Korea or Japan with Nukes the US would respond. ANd do to numerous treaties between China, Russia, and NK they would respond. See where this is all going. NK has screwed themselves over on this one. China could very well go to F*** U NK your on your own and if Russia done the same. Can we so in future History Books could have this line. Here is Country of kore formely South Korea. There was a war on the Korean Pennisula all the way up to around 2010. In the year 2006 NK denoted a Nuke and sent the world against it. It was focred to stand alone. Shortly after that in a failed attempt to bomb either SK or Japan the US respond with a Nuke as well. NK was whiped out and ever since then the Country of NK became a Nuclear Wasteland with no life in it. The lesson to learn today students. one DONT PISS OFF YOUR NEIGHBORS and two dont piss of the US. Or you will find yourself on your own and destroyed. We shall all see hopw the world reacts to this. And we all know many will try to say this is because of the Americans and they did something. Well as an American is this remember when we shared fault with the rest of the world for its problems. Maybe one day we shall see most of the World take responbility of its own actions and not blame us for it all. Kinda thinking along those lines. How would the world feel about thsi one. We dont want to be blamed for your problems you solve them and leave us alone. I bet the worlds tune would changwe faster then Micheal Jackson appearance.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #88 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:56:40 PM »

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

I have my reasons, which I clearly laid out. What's so hard to understand about it?

Neubob · « **Reply #89 on:** October 09, 2006, 01:00:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Sparks
IF they did have a bomb, my worry would not be whether it was capable of being put on a misile but whether it would fit in a standard 38ft container.

IMHO we are much more likely to have the next "Big Bang" come sailing in to somehwere like LA, Seattle, New York in a big annonymous box with 6000 others labeled "Microwave ovens - made in China"

Do you really think they would want to be implicated in such an attack, by proving their ability to do so before hand?Why not just load the device onto the 38 foot container and ship it over, nice and subtle?