Author Topic: Vicious assault on Cheney (Read 2031 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #75 on:** October 13, 2006, 09:20:24 AM »

When you say "area of operation", you realize you're saying "a mall", right? It's not like he was arrested while rapelling into Fort Mead from a stealth helicopter, for all we know he was heading off to get an Orange Julius.

john9001 · « **Reply #76 on:** October 13, 2006, 09:35:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Yeager, the problem is, this 'excitable bunch' didn't react until 5-10 minutes later when they saw him again. He said his thing and kept walking. Later on, they see him and arrest him.

That doesn't sound reactive, that sounds premeditated.

unless there is a clear and present danger the guards do not react until the VIP has moved on, then they question the person.

Chairboy · « **Reply #77 on:** October 13, 2006, 10:16:51 AM »

First, "they're responding to an immediate possible threat". Now, there's no "clear and present danger" and they're arresting him afterwards.

Pick a story and stick to it.

BTW, John9001, it's not illegal to say "I think your policies in Iraq are reprehensible". It doesn't matter if you're saying it to your grandmother, a police officer, or the president. This is why the first ammendment is so important. English subjects did NOT have that type of freedom, and they COULD be arrested and even executed for saying something that the sovereign didn't like.

This is the United States of America, not royal ol' England of the 1700s.

BTW · « **Reply #78 on:** October 13, 2006, 11:13:10 AM »

I think the guy should live out the rest of his life as a victim. He'll be the perfect democrat. Poor poor man done got arrested for (in a weeping tone)"absolutely nothing!!!"

Hope he has a wonderful like as a victim:aok

Yeager · « **Reply #79 on:** October 13, 2006, 11:40:46 AM »

It doesn't matter if you're saying it to your grandmother, a police officer, or the president.
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Are you being naive here simply because this story fits into your preconceived notions about how hitleresque and facist bush is, or are you simply naive? because if you think you can just walk up to a president or vice president in post 9/11 21st century america and, after two centuries that have already experienced grevious political assasinations, just spill your guts out and tell a President or VP how screwed up you think he/she is, then I suggest you are either naive, or living in the distant past.

In any event, stay away from the VP man, nothing good will come of it.

Chairboy · « **Reply #80 on:** October 13, 2006, 11:42:54 AM »

Yeager, if you think that being arrested for saying something like that is acceptable, then either you're out of touch with the meaning of our constitution or things in this country are even worse than I imagined.

Yeager · « **Reply #81 on:** October 13, 2006, 11:47:36 AM »

Oh just forget it Chairboy, I feel as if I am talking to a brick wall here. I dont believe what this guy did was anywhere near smart and I dont believe the constitution is being violated by tagging his ingorant tail and hauling him before the man. Maybe the court system can sort it all out

and Ill support whatever that outcome is but Im sticking with the darwinian approach. The guy is lucky he didnt get lead tagged.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #82 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:15:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Oh just forget it Chairboy, I feel as if I am talking to a brick wall here. I dont believe what this guy did was anywhere near smart and I dont believe the constitution is being violated by tagging his ingorant tail and hauling him before the man. Maybe the court system can sort it all out and Ill support whatever that outcome is but Im sticking with the darwinian approach. The guy is lucky he didnt get lead tagged.

He isnt being charged with anything, HE is sueing the secret service agent, you talk about talking to a wall, you can't even get that right?

Chairboy · « **Reply #83 on:** October 13, 2006, 12:31:48 PM »

The issues appears to be:
1. Unlawful detention.
2. Use of government position to intimidate.

If his telling of the story is accurate, then I feel 1 & 2 are legit problems here that need redress. If his story is not accurate, then all bets are off.

Yeager · « **Reply #84 on:** October 13, 2006, 01:08:27 PM »

gtora2,

thanks for taking the time to straighten me out

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #85 on:** October 13, 2006, 02:19:09 PM »

Straitening you out would take far more work then I care to put in, sorry Pal, you're just stuck being you.

Yeager · « **Reply #86 on:** October 13, 2006, 04:45:32 PM »

I am flattered by your short bus. Care to share a seat

RedTop · « **Reply #87 on:** October 13, 2006, 05:19:44 PM »

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Ahhhh, I love it when people try to take what is clearly written and spin it. Since you're context challenged I'll explain that I was simply pointing out that when something like this happens and it can be blamed on Republicans than it becomes all about the SS and Nazis. When it can be blamed on a Democrat nobody seems to much notice. I don't see where I made any comparison to the actions of either Cheney, Clinton or their representatives. Looks like you're being a bit defensive to interpret it as if I did.

Easy Mace...Im on your side. Just pointing out to the other poster that a referance all be it very subtle was made. It was also made with sarcasm. At least to me. I took it that way. And I agree totally with your thought.

It's always , from now on , going to be that way. Whatever 1 side does the other will be on it like stink on , well you get the point. Never thinking about what thier side did probably not to long ago that was the same. They just want to yell louder to make themselves right.

Mace2004 · « **Reply #88 on:** October 13, 2006, 11:26:30 PM »

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Originally posted by RedTop
Easy Mace...Im on your side. Just pointing out to the other poster that a referance all be it very subtle was made. It was also made with sarcasm. At least to me. I took it that way. And I agree totally with your thought.

It's always , from now on , going to be that way. Whatever 1 side does the other will be on it like stink on , well you get the point. Never thinking about what thier side did probably not to long ago that was the same. They just want to yell louder to make themselves right.

Roger that Redtop, my apologies for mis-reading your post.