Kevin Tillman

[Elfie]

I just read through this whole thread and it made me want to puke.

People complaing about combatants captured on a battlefield being held at Gitmo without charges. Those captured on a battlefield dont need to be charged with anything.

People complaining about the President doing a horrible job. If you think you can do better, run for office, or shut up.

People complaining about interrogation techniques and calling it torture. The last thread about prisoners being tortured, I googled for torture techniques, I didnt find one source that listed the things used by our intelligence services as torture.

People complaining about casualties. Guess what? Casualties suck, but they are an unavoidable aspect of warfare. Whining about it isnt going to bring anyone of those folks back.....ever.

I DID serve....I DID sign on the dotted line, Uncle Sam DID own my butt for 5 years 11 months and 17 days from May of '81 to May of '87.

I have a very personal interest in this war. My own son....IS serving, he DID sign the dotted line.....Uncle Sam DOES own his butt....and.....he is headed BACK to the Sandbox in less than one week from now.

I dont care one bit about those issues above the last 2 paragraphs....not one bit. Want to know what I care about? My son coming home safe, and everyone elses son/daughter coming home safe.

/stalks out slamming the door behind me.

[Eagler]

My family and I thank you and your son for your service to our country

[navajoboy]

Originally posted by Eagler
My family and I thank you and your son for your service to our country

amen brother..

[Hawco]

Doesn't matter what anyone posts on here, nobodys opinon is going to be changed either way, The threads do make good reading though.
One thing that annoys me more than anything else is when we have so many armchair Generals on here spouting forth about "honor" "bravery" and all that other C##P. It then descends into those who have served in some sort of capacity, either counting blankets in Alaska or changing a spark plug in Korea, or even having done nothing at all, then telling us all what's right and what's wrong. I know hardly anything about Millitary history, I know hardly anything about politics, In fact I'm impressed a great deal on here about the range and breadth of knowledge in all manner of subjects. But one thing I do have intimate knowledge on is living through the hell that is called combat, no point in going on and on about it as 99.9% of the posters on here would have no clue as to what it's like and would be a slap in the face to my memories and the things that keep me going on a daily basis, But that still doesn't make me knowledgable on all the history stuff and Tillman being right or wrong, I can only speak for the time when a small part of real estate became my whole world, outside that then i'm just another poster, If tillmans brother said that then that's fine with me, he's earned that right, same with anyone else who has seen it and done it.
The hardest thing is surviving and going back into what you would class as civillian life, belive it or not, life is actually easier when fighting for your life, you don't have to worry about much except staying alive, back in the real world though, you have birthdays, xmas, looking after a house, looking like you are interested in what your friends handicapp is,cleaning a car, driving to work, paying bills etc.
Then comes dealing with other views on warfare etc, stay or go, stuff liek that, Thing is, you have to keep beliving in what you done as right, otherwise then what was it all for?, So tillmans brother gets the thumbs up from me, he stopped  going through the motions and became an actual real live person, with real thoughts and feelings and he laid them out. He probably doesn't care what you or I think, he more than likely done it for himself.
Rant/speech over

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Another Vietnam was created, by the same people who lived through the original Vietnam.

I find it ironic that poor, undereducated Americans, the ones who have the most to gain from the politcal process, vote the way that modern day aristocrats tell them too.  Shoot, its these same Americans who bear the brunt of our military service!  But I guess if they want to send their sons and daughters to fight, blindly trusting a political party that has made more military blunders than Hitler, thats their right.  The Republican party has made so many military blunders that its inexcusable.

Fret not, the two party system is merely a precursor. With escalating costs of higher education the only option for most will be the US Armed forces, which in and of itself is not a bad thing. The problem is that the people able to afford college will also be the ones elected to office, and the ones who determine how many wars we're expected to fight.

Pretty soon we'll have two more parties. Sons of politicians, and sons of soldiers.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by cav58d
No....It's your

Oh man....

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Hawco
Doesn't matter what anyone posts on here, nobodys opinon is going to be changed either way, The threads do make good reading though.
One thing that annoys me more than anything else is when we have so many armchair Generals on here spouting forth about "honor" "bravery" and all that other C##P. It then descends into those who have served in some sort of capacity, either counting blankets in Alaska or changing a spark plug in Korea, or even having done nothing at all, then telling us all what's right and what's wrong. I know hardly anything about Millitary history, I know hardly anything about politics, In fact I'm impressed a great deal on here about the range and breadth of knowledge in all manner of subjects. But one thing I do have intimate knowledge on is living through the hell that is called combat, no point in going on and on about it as 99.9% of the posters on here would have no clue as to what it's like and would be a slap in the face to my memories and the things that keep me going on a daily basis, But that still doesn't make me knowledgable on all the history stuff and Tillman being right or wrong, I can only speak for the time when a small part of real estate became my whole world, outside that then i'm just another poster, If tillmans brother said that then that's fine with me, he's earned that right, same with anyone else who has seen it and done it.
The hardest thing is surviving and going back into what you would class as civillian life, belive it or not, life is actually easier when fighting for your life, you don't have to worry about much except staying alive, back in the real world though, you have birthdays, xmas, looking after a house, looking like you are interested in what your friends handicapp is,cleaning a car, driving to work, paying bills etc.
Then comes dealing with other views on warfare etc, stay or go, stuff liek that, Thing is, you have to keep beliving in what you done as right, otherwise then what was it all for?, So tillmans brother gets the thumbs up from me, he stopped  going through the motions and became an actual real live person, with real thoughts and feelings and he laid them out. He probably doesn't care what you or I think, he more than likely done it for himself.
Rant/speech over

Well put...too bad I had to read all the other stuff to get to your post

[Stringer]

LOL Yeag, true enough!!

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