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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2006, 01:32:04 PM »
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We have two choices, I vote R as the D's turn my stomach as a whole.


I believed the same thing until I was exposed to the concept of third parties and voting one's consience.  There are  lot of third parties with a variety of platforms, but the libertarian party comes closest to my idea of true american ideals.  All you who treat your R vote as an anti-D vote are doing this country a disservice.  All you who blindly follow the party line instead of examining the issues and voting your conscience are doing your country a disservice.
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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2006, 01:43:37 PM »
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I stand by Bush and the majority of his decisions since 00. I appreciate the SC judges he got in there and feel the day the dems take total control as the repubs have had for the last 6 years, will be the beginning of the end of the US as we know it .. not a scare tactic, just a fact IMO


wow...  just wow...  You watch a lot of Fox News, dontcha?  O'Reilly?  Rush?

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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2006, 01:44:01 PM »
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I believed the same thing until I was exposed to the libertarian party.  There are  lot of third parties with a variety of platforms, but the libertarian party comes closest to my idea of true american ideals.  All you who treat your R vote as an anti-D vote are doing this country a disservice.  All you who blindly follow the party line instead of examining the issues and voting your conscience are doing your country a disservice.


All of you who vote independent and let Hillary take office will have killed this country. You are responsible for the first Clinton. We can't take another.

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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2006, 01:49:48 PM »
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All of you who vote independent and let Hillary take office will have killed this country. You are responsible for the first Clinton. We can't take another.


thinking like that allows the R's and D's to play with your emotions and keep one side focused enough on beating the other side that you fail to see the damage that's being done to the American way of life by both sides.

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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2006, 01:53:08 PM »
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I also believe in the death penalty knowing every blue moon the wrong guy gets zapped.


I believed in the death penalty until I realized that the wrong guy getting zapped "every once in a while" makes it an unconstitutional practice.

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Sorry, I cannot share your paranoid fears of our government as I believe it is the best in the world as is the country


Blind patriotism is Nationalism, which we all know leads to Facism.  NAZI!!
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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2006, 01:57:54 PM »
Another Vietnam was created, by the same people who lived through the original Vietnam.

I find it ironic that poor, undereducated Americans, the ones who have the most to gain from the politcal process, vote the way that modern day aristocrats tell them too.  Shoot, its these same Americans who bear the brunt of our military service!  But I guess if they want to send their sons and daughters to fight, blindly trusting a political party that has made more military blunders than Hitler, thats their right.  The Republican party has made so many military blunders that its inexcusable.

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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2006, 01:58:05 PM »
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thinking like that allows the R's and D's to play with your emotions and keep one side focused enough on beating the other side that you fail to see the damage that's being done to the American way of life by both sides.


I didn't think like that until I watched it happen. If you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.

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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2006, 02:00:17 PM »
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Another Vietnam was created, by the same people who lived through the original Vietnam.

I find it ironic that poor, undereducated Americans, the ones who have the most to gain from the politcal process, vote the way that modern day aristocrats tell them too.  Shoot, its these same Americans who bear the brunt of our military service!  But I guess if they want to send their sons and daughters to fight, blindly trusting a political party that has made more military blunders than Hitler, thats their right.  The Republican party has made so many military blunders that its inexcusable.


I think you haven't much of a clue about how many Americans think. Why is it that many liberals become conservative but rarely is it vice versa? Something to do with a more useful education I think.

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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2006, 02:15:43 PM »
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I find it ironic that poor, undereducated Americans, the ones who have the most to gain from the politcal process, vote the way that modern day aristocrats tell them too.  Shoot, its these same Americans who bear the brunt of our military service!  


the military is all volunteer, there is no draft right now.

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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2006, 02:19:47 PM »
Maybe you think the average American is living in some big mansion, five cars in his garage, pool in the backyard.  No.  The middle class is shrinking.  The working class is definately growing.  

Why anyone would want to 'conserve' being poor is beyond me.

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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2006, 02:21:36 PM »
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the military is all volunteer, there is no draft right now.


Go check your figures, draft or not, its lower socioeconomic classes who fill the ranks of the military.

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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2006, 02:29:35 PM »
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Go check your figures, draft or not, its lower socioeconomic classes who fill the ranks of the military.


I live in Fairfield County, Connecticut, and have a very wealthy and affluent family...I will be commissioning in May 07' US Army.  Sorry aqua, but dont generalize because you are wrong...
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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2006, 02:39:57 PM »
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the military is all volunteer, there is no draft right now.


there is no draft yet...

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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2006, 03:26:19 PM »
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I didn't think like that until I watched it happen.


that's a matter of perspective.  you say third parties "stole" enough R votes to tip the scales in D's favor, I say enough people woke up, saw the R's schtik about small government, lower taxes, lower spending, etc. as just that, schtik, and decided to vote their conscience.  Too bad most of them let their emotions be played to stick to their consciences.  Allowing the lies to continue by voting for the lesser of two evils (which, btw, is still an evil) out of fear that "the other side" might win is shortsighted and bad for this country.  Look at the rights that have been stomped on in the name of communism, drugs, and now terrorism, all while government grows, spending skyrockets, and the documents that define us as a nation are ignored by those chosen to represent us.  Is this really OK with you?

Listen, THEY'RE PLAYING WITH YOUR EMOTIONS!!  BOTH R'S AND D'S ARE GUILTY.  They're keeping you afraid enough to think that you NEED their PROTECTION and are more concerned about being SAFE than being FREE.  I'm sorry, but Im seeing America dying a bit more every day, and I cannot in good conscience vote for the perpetrators.  That means my vote goes to a third party.  The LP happens to suit me best.  It's really the only way these shenegans will stop, enough people who are, above all else, sick of the shenanegans in Washington voting their consciences.  It's happening, too.  Gonna be a bunch of new L's in office soon.  


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If you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.


now that's just funny coming from someone who voted for bushie.

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« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2006, 04:09:45 PM »
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Sorry, I cannot share your paranoid fears of our government as I believe it is the best in the world as is the country


It's called "denile", usually sufferred by people who don't have the coping skills to acknowledge reality; The picture that you carry inside your head is very different from reality. For you to acknowledge the truth would make your 'play' world crumble at your feet.

Bush admin has done more harm globally to America than all other US presidents combined.

Almost 3000 dead US sevicemen in Iraq and all of them for absolutely nothing. That's something to very proud of?

Are your plans to support another war to protect isreal from HER enemies, based on lies and deceception?