Author Topic: 89 year old, guilty on 10 counts of vehiclular manslaughter  (Read 722 times)

Offline Maverick

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89 year old, guilty on 10 counts of vehiclular manslaughter
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2006, 04:58:47 PM »
Sluggish,

I don't think people were arguing that the Officer "just ran a stop sign" so therefor should go away with no penalty. What I saw was a lot of very strident bleating that the Officer should be punished automatically before any investigation is completed. There were also minor rants about murder, which were blatantly posted indicating that this was a premeditated act, something that is required to have a charge of murder. That is also not required in the case of vehicular manslaughter. The rants were pretty one sided indicating that the decision was made, irregardless of the lack of knowledge of the scene, evidence and circumstances, to just pronounce sentence. Why have in investigation or trial when we can serve "justice" based on an article almost completely devoid of any information by the folks who post on a bbs? :rolleyes:

As was stated before, no charges will be brought until the investigation is completed and no citations are issued for vehicular manslaughter anyhow.

Again I want to point out that the situation in this thread is far different.

An investigation was held. A trial was conducted after the investigation where a "jury of his peers" saw, heard and deliberated on the evidence, not a 3rd hand news article bereft of any of that, and pronunced a judgment.  Not a bit of that had been done much less written about in the post you were alluding to yet the calls for the death or imprisonment of the Officer were present. Due process be damned and all that stuff.

Once the system has done the tasks that we expect to be done in any case like that, then let the sentence be levied and served by the guilty party. That is the same here in the case of the elderly man as it should be in the case with the Police Officer. Both are entitled to due process. One has received that benefit, the other has yet to have it completed.
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89 year old, guilty on 10 counts of vehiclular manslaughter
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2006, 07:07:09 PM »
I agree with you completely Maverick.  What I was commenting on was the opinions of the people in the thread, not the inconsistencies or lack there of in the process of law.


Lukster said, "Accidents happen, sad but true. Anyone here never accidentally ran a stop sign? The degree of negligence should determine the punishment."

Toecutter said, "Just to clear this up. If in NJ, you drive through a stop sign without stopping and hit another car and kill the people in it you can be charged with failure to stop at a stop sign. Unless of course there are other contributing factors which caused you to fail to stop at the stop sign. Such as DWI, or excessive speed. If the only offense committed was the failure to stop, then thats the only offense that the driver can be charged with. People very rarely get arrested and charged with a crime when the only original offense is a motor vehicle violation, police officer or not. We don't know the complete circumstances of the incident with the NJ trooper, but I'm sure the hydrashock to the back of the head might be a little much."

Loser said, "Would I be arrested? No

Charged? No

If no other factors were present, I would be given a ticket for "failure to obey a traffic signal." Maybe....maybe..... "Driving without due care and attention."

I guess what I'm getting at is that I would like to know what the people who commented these things in the other thread think about this situation.

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89 year old, guilty on 10 counts of vehiclular manslaughter
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2006, 08:53:02 PM »
The real solution is a better public transportation system that does a better job of catering to the large elderly population.  There are a few "small buses" that drive around Orange County, CA.  I'm told that they're on-call--at what cost, I don't know.  But, I think it'd be worth it to offer the service at a minimal rate to all senior citizens who cannot pass a truly stringent driving test and interview process.
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