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Offline Chairboy

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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2006, 10:43:40 PM »
It's not a quantum leap in anything, Rolex was dramatically overstating the benefits with the enthusiastic disregard of science that only a dedicated audiophile can bring to a discussion.
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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2006, 10:50:07 PM »
Air on a G String is the Bach equivalent to porn music...well sex music anyway.
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« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2006, 10:54:12 PM »
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Yup, you're spot on, eagl.

Also agree with you, Chair. The concept was the designer wanted to keep things for his grandchildren to hear. He'll have to store a player to read it too, since CD players won't likely be around then ;)  


So why would he try to store things on a glass cd that can only be played on a CD player? Do your grandchildren like to listen to old 75 rpm records?
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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2006, 11:26:25 PM »
The Compact Disc format is NOT the "great medium" that folks strive for.   Vinyl is  still the best.
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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2006, 11:48:51 PM »
Audio Mastering facilities make these as well - in a slightly cheaper form - Glass Masters. I have a $500 Glass Master of a CD that I produced last year. You basically pay for a 'die' that is used to create additional duplication runs. Too bad  it needs to be remastered lol.
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« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2006, 11:53:30 PM »
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I'm not the one spouting nonsense. I actually know what Im talking about.


You were half correct - do you actually work in the recording industry since you know what you're talkin about?
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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2006, 12:01:09 AM »
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It's not a quantum leap in anything, Rolex was dramatically overstating the benefits with the enthusiastic disregard of science that only a dedicated audiophile can bring to a discussion.


Haha... :)

I'm not a dedicted audiophile. I didn't make it or have any financial interest in it. I thought it was a novelty and not worth the effort put into it.

The science has nothing to do with format. CD players have error correction because CDs have errors and reading errors are common. If there were no errors, there would be no need for error correction. It is not a perfect media and reading errors occur from degradation of the non-transparent acrylic layer.

The developers claim that after ten years of development, they are able to produce a structure of glass and a data impression technique that does not have reading errors, does not have the acrylic degradation from UV, humidity, heat, scratches, disc deformation, warping, etc., and it is the best quality portable media today.

If you don't think it so, then fine. I don't care. You are directing your drama at the messenger.

Oh, and by-the-way... since being in an anal retentive mood is becoming fashionable here, a quantum leap is simply moving to another level, literally and figuratively. Going from commonplace errors to no reading errors by a properly functioning player is moving to another level of consistency.
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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2006, 03:28:57 AM »
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The Compact Disc format is NOT the "great medium" that folks strive for.   Vinyl is  still the best.


Yup that is true. A new vinyl on a good turntable gives better and less digital sound. I read somewere a week ago that they are selling more and more vinyl again. Looks like it may do a small comeback outside the nightclubs.
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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2006, 04:02:57 AM »
Electro and most rap genres have always stuck to vinyl, as far as I can remember.
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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2006, 09:31:26 PM »
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A recording of Johann Sebastian Bach's "Air on G String" that's closer to live sound than anything that has ever existed - and will remain that way forever.


That's a big statement. The master is better than the glass CD. I doubt a glass CD will last forever.
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« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2006, 10:19:37 PM »
Especially if you have kids that like to play frisbee
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« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2006, 03:42:54 AM »
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Haha... :)

I'm not a dedicted audiophile. I didn't make it or have any financial interest in it. I thought it was a novelty and not worth the effort put into it.

The science has nothing to do with format. CD players have error correction because CDs have errors and reading errors are common. If there were no errors, there would be no need for error correction. It is not a perfect media and reading errors occur from degradation of the non-transparent acrylic layer.

The developers claim that after ten years of development, they are able to produce a structure of glass and a data impression technique that does not have reading errors, does not have the acrylic degradation from UV, humidity, heat, scratches, disc deformation, warping, etc., and it is the best quality portable media today.

If you don't think it so, then fine. I don't care. You are directing your drama at the messenger.

Oh, and by-the-way... since being in an anal retentive mood is becoming fashionable here, a quantum leap is simply moving to another level, literally and figuratively. Going from commonplace errors to no reading errors by a properly functioning player is moving to another level of consistency.


Sorry rolex... this is out there with buying bridges and real estate in florida.

Digital is digital is digital. The sample rate is the same. CD's are fairly low density digital media as well, so errors are not that common unless you scratch the hell outta them.

Have these guys even heard of flash media? And who the heck still uses CD's anyway!
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« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2006, 04:15:47 AM »
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And who the heck still uses CD's anyway!


I do.. they are shiny!
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« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2006, 04:17:12 AM »
Rolex, i'm not trying to bust you bubble, but..

The CD will not sound better than a regular (fresh) one with the same data on it.
Its a *digital* copy. It may not degrade as quickly as a plastic CD, but you'd be better off just saving the content on a harddisk and make a CD copy every now and then.

I've heard of people preferring single-mode optical fiber over multimode to transport digital data in their sound systems to "reduce jitter".

I also know people who cool down the CD because it "will make them sound better" because the reflective qualities supposedly are better at low temp.

It's totally wrong, but that doesnt stop their zealotry ;)
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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2006, 01:05:10 AM »
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Thank Nuke we all here have the "Word of Nuke" coming down from heaven to explain the physics of Nuke's World, i.e., glass can be scratched very easily...

Nuke, if you had any experience in, or understood the science of materials and the technology of CD manufacturing and particularly players, you would know that the semi-clear acrylic layer now used affects reflectivity of the laser, causing...

Never mind. A thimble can't hold a liter of knowledge.

You're right. Have a nice day.


Okay, I accept your personal attack. Now, would you like to argue over some facts about CD's and digital media?
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