New arena idea..

[lazs2]

Since a lot of the slum behavior is because of the steep learning curve and how that makes for some gameing of the planeset and griefing and gameing of the squad limits along with milkrunning and such behavior like late war plane choice and HO's..

How bout a "Relaxed realism" arena?  No stalls/spins that sort of thing... maybe easier gunnery... outside views..

The new guys could go there... We allready have the tools for aircraft and vehicles and such in the late war...  Just make one late war arena "relaxed realism" and the other late war only planes and equipment.

Guys with some skills who liked late war could use the other LW arena to fight like minded players in late war rides.

My bet is that relaxed realism lw anything goes arena would be full every night with the current player base.

While we were at it we could drop the squad limit thing in relaxed realism and the arena numbers limit for that arena.

It should do a good job of still bringing in income but seperating or.... better yet... as a stepping stone up to.. the other arenas.

Some of course, would never leave the safety and security of a relaxed realism arena... they are the type that never do and that is fine.  They wouldn't grief the other arenas tho.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[culero]

lazs, that's not really a new idea....

culero (BTDT, liked it and so did many others)

[FTJR]

From the "non prime time" point of view, this would be a disaster.

We are already struggling with limited numbers of people split between the EW MW and Lw1. Changing, say, Lw2 to an RR arena, would undoubtedly  would water down the numbers even more.

Please dont do it.

Regards

[sonic23]

The learning curve isnt really that steep in my opinion it was pretty easy. If you want to learn goto TA and ask for help or even practice in offline mode.

[LYNX]

Originally posted by lazs2
Since a lot of the slum behavior is because of the steep learning curve and how that makes for some gameing of the planeset and griefing and gameing of the squad limits along with milkrunning and such behavior like late war plane choice and HO's..

How bout a "Relaxed realism" arena?  No stalls/spins that sort of thing... maybe easier gunnery... outside views..

The new guys could go there... We allready have the tools for aircraft and vehicles and such in the late war...  Just make one late war arena "relaxed realism" and the other late war only planes and equipment.

Guys with some skills who liked late war could use the other LW arena to fight like minded players in late war rides.

My bet is that relaxed realism lw anything goes arena would be full every night with the current player base.

While we were at it we could drop the squad limit thing in relaxed realism and the arena numbers limit for that arena.

It should do a good job of still bringing in income but seperating or.... better yet... as a stepping stone up to.. the other arenas.

Some of course, would never leave the safety and security of a relaxed realism arena... they are the type that never do and that is fine.  They wouldn't grief the other arenas tho.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Whats the matter ..... not enough guys in your world to play with.  Getting old is it fighting the same 6 to 30 guys. Wanna water down the LW so the guys that wanna use, AND THERE ARE PLENTY, early and mid planes have to go to other arenas.

Can't be arsed to teach newbies the ropes.  Not wanting to be bothered setting the examples. Na you just wanna turn in and pop away except there's hardly anyone skilled or otherwise.  HARDLY ANYONE.

You've done nailed your colours to EW & MW yet you still wanna dilute LW in one way and screw it up in another.

Could you get anymore transparant.

[dragon25]

I like the dedicated fighter/furballer arena idea, but do not agree /w the watered down realism idea. Part of the fun of AH is the that learnig curb.



Aces High Community and ATC!

[lazs2]

lynx....  Bet there are no mirrors in your house eh?

Good idea?  Bad idea?  so far all you are saying is that it would take away numbers (water down) the late war?   How could that be?   it would be an anything goes arena with easy mode for real and out in the open instead of pretending the lw isn't now.  

If it was a bad idea then none of the new guys or gamers would use it.  Heck... it worked fine in other games like AW and the RR guys fit right in when they came here right?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Mr No Name]

Lynx makes a valid point.

[Flayed1]

Don't sound like such a good idea to me...  I am a tool shedder/win the war type but what drew me to this game was when I first poped AH1 up and flew around for the 1st time offline at base A1 on Mindinao, just couldn't get over how real the plane felt...  I love that part of AH, the flips spins and such, not to meantion I love the early and mid war rides and can hardly stand to fly LA-7's, Spit-16's and such.  So it seems that other than being one of the win the war types I don't fit Lazs description much at all.  

 Thndregg is also one of us strange breed as are many others in the squad. He really disslikes LW even though his YAK-9U is there (and he's good in that thing) but he dislikes the play in there and has hardly played at all after the change....  

  We like the the war, we like and the furball both and not to meantion we like them in EW and MW but they are so under populated most times that there usually is no war going on to fight and we just log out.  So actually this right here go's against what Lazs says..

      OMFG Toolsheders that like to fight in early rides!!!!!!!:eek:

 In fact some of the best fights for bases are in EW. Not everyone can hop into a heavy attack plane and pound the crap out of the base as easy as the LW rides not to mention planes are much slower so you can see us coming for some time.

 But we don't want just the Furball fights we want to fight for a FOR something. To us the simple I shot you down is not enough and gets boring after a few rounds..

  This being the case, where do those of us that fit the description of this rare breed go??


 I also agree with lynx..  We already have trouble enough filling what we have.. I don't see having a RR arena having many positive effects on the game.

[FrodeMk3]

lasz, I think in this case, we have to blame the vets as much as the newbs, due to the way that we treat the newbs.

You know why?

It's because of the treatment that a lot of "old vets" give the new accounts guys.

I wish that I had filmed it at the time, but I can give you an example of the treatment that is given to new players:

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234552:"how do i fly the plane"

anyone that's been flying for a while:"STFU dweeb, use the README or go to the (nits/rooks/bish)"

234552:"could somebody help me"

any older "vet", again:"LMAO newb, please log. Come back when you have a real name."

I've always thought that quite a few players, when exposed to this type of behaviour, take this as the standard of the player base. They then make a choice: Do I stay and play this game(where people are treating them like a jerk) or do I adapt to this behaviour, play the game like they do, and treat people like they do? Or do I muddle through as best as I can?

I think that It's safe to say, to get the number of people currently playing the game, that HTC has lost almost 3x that number, for various reasons.

I think that It's really unfair to paint those that wish to play for a country win as the problem, when It's so many other factors.

If players would just think about the whole for 1 min., then It would be easy to send them to the TA. Which, BTW, is RR. It was designed by HTC to be exactly what lasz is describing. We don't need another one, we just need people to use the one we got.

[jhookt]

lazs

i laud your attempt to be constructive towards the betterment of AH2. but i (and i belive many of the others that monitor these boards) are curious as to the motive for this particular post. given your particular style of posting i am sure the is more than one 'troll' in that post, and a couple of thinly veiled insulting implcations towards some of your well known BBS targets. but i could be wrong, i have been wrong before so it wouldn't suprise me if i were reading to far into this thread but i don't think i am.

so my question to you lazs is simply this:

what is the intent of this post?

i highly doubt that you are full of concern towards other people's enjoyment of the game, and you have stated many times, as Lynx pointed out, that you have no interest in the slums of LW that EW and MW are your furballer's paradise. so why would changing the LW for the better matter to you? what makes lazs so concerned as to the skill level of the newbies in uber LW rides?

personally i think the answer to those questions is nothing. there is nothing at all that matters to you in the LW arenas. i think that it is nothing more than an attempt to get people to respond to your post so that you can reinstate your opinion of how fighter elite you are. and i am well aware of how i have given you exactly what you want, how i have opened the door for you to begin with your  "skillless HO dweebs, borg squad, talentless horde" rants once again.

so have at lazs. sit down and rip into us win the war, "non dog fighting, hiding in numbers"guys have it. and i hope you enjoy it.

[MOIL]

I believe it's up to all the vet's including myself to set the example and help new-comers feel welcome to our beloved game.

No one likes to feel like an outsider or third wheel when thier in unfimiliar territory.

[1Boner]

Originally posted by jhookt
lazs

i laud your attempt to be constructive towards the betterment of AH2. but i (and i belive many of the others that monitor these boards) are curious as to the motive for this particular post. given your particular style of posting i am sure the is more than one 'troll' in that post, and a couple of thinly veiled insulting implcations towards some of your well known BBS targets. but i could be wrong, i have been wrong before so it wouldn't suprise me if i were reading to far into this thread but i don't think i am.

so my question to you lazs is simply this:

what is the intent of this post?

i highly doubt that you are full of concern towards other people's enjoyment of the game, and you have stated many times, as Lynx pointed out, that you have no interest in the slums of LW that EW and MW are your furballer's paradise. so why would changing the LW for the better matter to you? what makes lazs so concerned as to the skill level of the newbies in uber LW rides?

personally i think the answer to those questions is nothing. there is nothing at all that matters to you in the LW arenas. i think that it is nothing more than an attempt to get people to respond to your post so that you can reinstate your opinion of how fighter elite you are. and i am well aware of how i have given you exactly what you want, how i have opened the door for you to begin with your  "skillless HO dweebs, borg squad, talentless horde" rants once again.

so have at lazs. sit down and rip into us win the war, "non dog fighting, hiding in numbers"guys have it. and i hope you enjoy it.

  jhookt for president!!!!!!!!!!!!--well said!!!!!---but it still won,t sink in.

[LYNX]

Originally posted by lazs2
lynx....  Bet there are no mirrors in your house eh?

Good idea?  Bad idea?  so far all you are saying is that it would take away numbers (water down) the late war?   How could that be?   it would be an anything goes arena with easy mode for real and out in the open instead of pretending the lw isn't now.  

If it was a bad idea then none of the new guys or gamers would use it.  Heck... it worked fine in other games like AW and the RR guys fit right in when they came here right?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

OK...  I'm up for replying to the obsurdity of the above.

" so far all you are saying is that it would take away numbers (water down) the late war?"  

 Errr... yes thats right.  What part of ...

" You wanna water down the LW so the guys that wanna use, AND THERE ARE PLENTY, early and mid planes have to go to other arenas."
 
was difficult to understand ?  The part about many guys in LW still using early and mid planes ?  Or the part about having to go to your underpopulated EW & MW arenas to actually use early and mid war planes ?, if you had your way.  

How could that be?   it would be an anything goes arena with easy mode for real and out in the open instead of pretending the lw isn't now.  

Oh! pleeeeaassse!  Just another cheap dig at LW.  Hows that feline sound go..umm yes  "meeoow".  

Heck... it worked fine in other games like AW

Please do fill me in on the history of AW and why it no longer exists.

Unlike the rest of your squad that still frequent LW, you have nailed your colours to EW & MW as fighter furball heaven.  I now put it to you that these arenas are underpopulated.  You are bored with the same 6 to 30 guys in your beloved arenas.  You just wanna turn up at one of these arenas (most populated prolly) and pop away at cons except theres no one there to "pop away at".  

Lastly,  mirror mirror on the wall who's the repetitive poster of them all ?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Instead of relaxed realism, I think having an option to play offline against A.I. would make a big difference.

WB had it, so HT surely could do it again. I started my flying career by learning the ropes offline and only when I could hold my own at the hardest level offline I subscribed online. Live players added so much more variance in the gameplay that I was hooked forever.