New arena idea..

[Nightshift82]

My take on the idea:
It's an interesting idea but it wouldn't be needed if every "vet" took one new player under his or her wing and teach the basics of ACM.  With that said, I don't think its a good idea.

just my 2 cents

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by Shamus
Well thats a weeks worth talking, the models were far from the same.

Energy management was ya cant just yank and bank, drop the nose and hit wep for 10 seconds and regain all your energy.

Laz, hate to bust your bubble but you are a RR weenie.

shamus

shamus!!

EW is as close to rr as it gets in here...flying f4f's and fm2 and "amazing" folks outturning more popular planes...can it be anymore yank and bank???
and does anyone in here not know that the earlier war planes turn easier with less effort?????

i like EW....nice break from tougher fights....guys fly low...slow planes and furballs with trgts everywhere...no need to learn the art of alt fighting and hurricanes ho everything in sight while 109s and 190s boom-n-zoom right and left....(btw wasnt the hurri2 a popular plane in the old ma?? need to check the stats!..it was because you could up and turn quickly into enemy and use your cannon capriciously)  

anytime i need a k/d ratio boost i go to early war...quick kills and great ratios



ahh one other thing...if i remember correctly the reason Full realism was never popular was because it was an underpopulated arena..wasnt that hard to move from rr to fr (whole squad did it when we came to AH from AW)...but there were more people in RR...and the guys in FR were "hardcore ww2 reenactors"...they werent into furballing as much as staying alive and using alt etc for advantage...i personally found it unsatisfying

here is another little tidbit....if you think by playing this game for years means you can hop into a p51 and fly it for real...you are wrong:rolleyes:
this is ALL relaxed realism...no offense but you need more then a joystick with programmable buttons and a keyboard to fly a plane;) but keeping pretending your a reallife fiter jock...if you type it enough someone may believe it:aok

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Originally posted by Nightshift82
My take on the idea:
It's an interesting idea but it wouldn't be needed if every "vet" took one new player under his or her wing and teach the basics of ACM.  With that said, I don't think its a good idea.

just my 2 cents

I've done that and actually one of the guys later became a member of the AH training squad. But I've noticed that I only helped the guys with personality. The non-typing 20448 named guy doesn't endorse activity.

[Squire]

RR was gay in AW and its still gay.

Lets not turn AH into some "Crimson Skies" joke. If folks want a dumbed down less hard sim they can fire up their Xboxes and drive NASCAR.

[Hades55]

The *real* problem is that in *reality* the planes was easier to fly
than in FR.

NOT easy like RR, but easier than FR.

FR was overmodeled toughness just for game purposes. Or just ignorance.

HT, with the hand on hart, was the AW FR pony the same with the pony
you had fly before 3-4 years ?

Whats the differences of today AHII pony with the pony you had fly ?

ps The only real plane near to FR flying model was the F-104 starfighter

[Stang]

Originally posted by Hades55
The *real* problem is that in *reality* the planes was easier to fly
than in FR.

NOT easy like RR, but easier than FR.

FR was overmodeled toughness just for game purposes. Or just ignorance.

HT, with the hand on hart, was the AW FR pony the same with the pony
you had fly before 3-4 years ?

Whats the differences of today AHII pony with the pony you had fly ?

ps The only real plane near to FR flying model was the F-104 starfighter

Okay, genious, if the real thing is easier to fly than in a "full realism" flight sim, why don't you go down to the airport, hop in the cockpit of a P-51 and we'll see how you do.  Something tells me you can't even get the engine started.

[B@tfinkV]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
lasz, I think in this case, we have to blame the vets as much as the newbs, due to the way that we treat the newbs.

You know why?

It's because of the treatment that a lot of "old vets" give the new accounts guys.

I wish that I had filmed it at the time, but I can give you an example of the treatment that is given to new players:

(text buffer, green ch.)

234552:"how do i fly the plane"

anyone that's been flying for a while:"STFU dweeb, use the README or go to the (nits/rooks/bish)"

234552:"could somebody help me"

any older "vet", again:"LMAO newb, please log. Come back when you have a real name."

I've always thought that quite a few players, when exposed to this type of behaviour, take this as the standard of the player base. They then make a choice: Do I stay and play this game(where people are treating them like a jerk) or do I adapt to this behaviour, play the game like they do, and treat people like they do? Or do I muddle through as best as I can?

I think that It's safe to say, to get the number of people currently playing the game, that HTC has lost almost 3x that number, for various reasons.

I think that It's really unfair to paint those that wish to play for a country win as the problem, when It's so many other factors.

If players would just think about the whole for 1 min., then It would be easy to send them to the TA. Which, BTW, is RR. It was designed by HTC to be exactly what lasz is describing. We don't need another one, we just need people to use the one we got.

didnt read any further than this post, but golly, its jaded.


i have never once seen 'vets' treating newbs like this. almost everyone, including the 'evil' furballers, are helpfull and fun dedicated in this game.


seriously, when was the last time you played?

[Hades55]

Originally posted by Stang
Okay, genious, if the real thing is easier to fly than in a "full realism" flight sim, why don't you go down to the airport, hop in the cockpit of a P-51 and we'll see how you do.  Something tells me you can't even get the engine started.

OK, you won my attention, now kid, get lost

HT i wait a answer about the real pony if you please..

[TexMurphy]

Originally posted by Hades55
ps The only real plane near to FR flying model was the F-104 starfighter

Im jellous... I which that I as well had flown all planes irl so I could be part of this interesting discussion...

Tex

[lazs2]

shamus.. falc... are you saying that a zeke should not be able to outturn a 109 say?  

The models were wrong and got changed to match real data.   I was only there a week or so but that was enough for me to see something was really wrong.   You guys like to talk about "real war" yet you want an arena where the only thing is energy management and acm is worthless?

shaw..met him..  docdoom.. blowhard..never fought him that I didn't wipe the floor with him in any flight sim and... I ain't but mediocer... met carr and a lot of real wwII fighter pilots... they did stuff that we are afraid to do... they climbed up to the enemy for instance...  they fought 3 on ones or more.. they fought in inferior planes and didn't care.  they upped from capped fields...  

your wussy ideas of "real" are an insult to those men.

falc.. I have seen you in EW... you don't take the slow planes you take 190's and spit5 ... in the old MA you took la7 allmost exclusively or tigers...

I really don't need a lecture from you on easy mode.   If there was a plane easier than than the ones you chose now you would switch to it.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[hitech]

LYNX: Who do you think wrote Fighter Ops?

As far as the real thing vs the sim, I would say the real thing is generaly easyier.

But do not take that to meen that just because you can fly the sim, you can fly the real thing. Some things translate accross, some do not.

But the dog fight is almost directly transferable once your brain gets aclumated to a forein enviorment.


Hades55: Im not exatly sure what your question is.


HiTech

[LYNX]

Originally posted by hitech
LYNX: Who do you think wrote Fighter Ops?

As far as the real thing vs the sim, I would say the real thing is generally easier.

But do not take that to mean that just because you can fly the sim, you can fly the real thing. Some things translate across, some do not.

But the dog fight is almost directly transferable once your brain gets accumulated to a foreign environment.


Hades55: I'm not exactly sure what your question is.


HiTech

Yer I know you wrote Fighter Ops.  I believe it was leased to AOL.  I could be wrong on this part but wasn't it's return to WB partly why you left IEN or what ever their called.

Question though..... WB other arena was it harder than the settings we use now.  Combat trim off + other stuff ?  Or have the 300,000 gallons of beer damaged my memory cells these last 5 yrs?

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by lazs2
shamus.. falc... are you saying that a zeke should not be able to outturn a 109 say?  

The models were wrong and got changed to match real data.   I was only there a week or so but that was enough for me to see something was really wrong.   You guys like to talk about "real war" yet you want an arena where the only thing is energy management and acm is worthless?

shaw..met him..  docdoom.. blowhard..never fought him that I didn't wipe the floor with him in any flight sim and... I ain't but mediocer... met carr and a lot of real wwII fighter pilots... they did stuff that we are afraid to do... they climbed up to the enemy for instance...  they fought 3 on ones or more.. they fought in inferior planes and didn't care.  they upped from capped fields...  

your wussy ideas of "real" are an insult to those men.

falc.. I have seen you in EW... you don't take the slow planes you take 190's and spit5 ... in the old MA you took la7 allmost exclusively or tigers...

I really don't need a lecture from you on easy mode.   If there was a plane easier than than the ones you chose now you would switch to it.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

dont think i have flown but one 190 all tour...ill check my stats

and if you think a la7 is a better dogfiter then the planes you fly then give me a hurri1 or 2 or f4f and you take a la7 and lets turnfight....

if you feel you can outfly me in a spit5 (since its easy mode to you ) then lets go to the DA and prove it

point being is that you cant...you fly all the slow turners that will outturn faster planes if they choose to get slow and turnfight with you...what makes them easy is that you dont have to slow them down to get quick turns..they are already mostly there...you want others to fly the same planes in the same way....and thats why i agree with shamus that you are a RR pilot...you in essence strive to recreate that Air Warrior environment of limited planes and similar combat experiences.

lazs i have already said that i believe the reason you need ew is because you arent comfortable with the multidimenisional fights that flying late war planes in such an arena require....i also believe that some of it is because of your need for game arcade instant fight flying...you dont want to take a full tank of fuel and climb out and encounter the multifaceted opportunities this game presents....and it upsets you to no end if someone has taken time to gain advantage with alt or position...in essence you want a DA without the pressures of one where someone is specifically waiting for you and you have to engage on even terms...

when i have encounterd you in EW and MW you are hanging back near your airfield and popping in to pick other guys off who are already engaged.   you never even head towards the enemy field..im guessing because you have taken a very light fuel load...hey its all fair bud...you arent cheating or gaming anyone...but dont pretend you are a great fiter pilot or interested in "fair" fights.

[doc1kelley]

Originally posted by FALCONWING
when i have encounterd you in EW and MW you are hanging back near your airfield and popping in to pick other guys off who are already engaged.   you never even head towards the enemy field..im guessing because you have taken a very light fuel load...hey its all fair bud...you arent cheating or gaming anyone...but dont pretend you are a great fiter pilot or interested in "fair" fights.

Laz been BUSTED!

A Kill has been Recorded!

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Shamus
All of the arenas are RR now, anyone remember pre-1.04?

shamus

Laz,

This was my original comment, you chose to argue with it and try and explain how it was wrong.

I know how futile it is to try and convince you of anything so think what you want.

But when you say that all the planes had the same flight model pre-1.04, I say rubbish.

shamus