Author Topic: New arena idea.. (Read 3201 times)

SlapShot · « **Reply #60 on:** October 31, 2006, 10:50:31 AM »

when i have encounterd you in EW and MW you are hanging back near your airfield and popping in to pick other guys off who are already engaged. you never even head towards the enemy field..im guessing because you have taken a very light fuel load...hey its all fair bud...you arent cheating or gaming anyone...but dont pretend you are a great fiter pilot or interested in "fair" fights.

A very poor assessment after only a handful of encounters. I could say the same about you after the brief encounter that we had last week, but that would not be either fair or true.

Lazs has always stated that he is an "average" fighter pilot ... and he is right

... but he will always fight ... thats guaranteed.

Stang · « **Reply #61 on:** October 31, 2006, 01:14:27 PM »

I stallfought Lazer's Spit IX in an LA-7 the other day, never got above 125 mph, and utterly dominated his Spit with the LA. He never even had a chance to get a shot.

You guys who think stallfighting is all about turning rates truly have your heads in the sand. It is a big factor, but you are limiting yourself to only 2 axis. Add the 3rd, the vertical, and a whole new world of ACM opens up. With the LA's uber accleration and low speed climb rate, even from a stall, it totally dominated the IX.

That plane should never have to run from anything. Even a Spit XVI. It's simply incredible what it can do, fast and slow. Shane would back me up on that.

stantond · « **Reply #62 on:** October 31, 2006, 01:35:52 PM »

That 'other' sim that was purchased then destroyed, Air Warrior, had that type of setup. It had relaxed realism and full realism arenas. It worked then with the RR arena always having more people than FR (but the people in FR didn't mind).

Regards,

Malta

lazs2 · « **Reply #63 on:** October 31, 2006, 02:28:34 PM »

falc... I allways take between half and three quarters fuel... that is allways enough to run me out of ammo. I am not a great shot... I rarely go over 2k above ground level.. no real point.

As for your idiotic lala7 defense. you must be kidding.. You can take a hurri or an f4f and me the la la and you will never win. I will B&Z you and never risk a thing. I will have the easiest and most boring time of my life.

And... you pick the spit 5 because you can't fight in the slow planes because you can't run away... that is RR to me.

you are right that I prefer fighting closer to my base or at least... half way point... the reason is quite simple... the closer the fight the sooner I get into it and....

With your type around... all I will find if I fly all the way to your field is fast planes with alt because your ilk has allready killed the dot dar..

In the fight we were in together your guys had slight numbers and were accomadating by coming to us. You guys came in with alt and died so....

you proved another of your theories about furballs wrong by coming in low on the water and zooming up at the last minute.... you have espoused that this was what we furballers do and is "easy".... you died ever time you tried and didn't kill anything.

so dockelly (if you are a doc)... it is not I who is busted but your hero. Maybe you should look at his stats on what he flys and what he kills...

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Overlag · « **Reply #64 on:** October 31, 2006, 03:35:51 PM »

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Originally posted by doc1kelley
Laz been BUSTED!

A Kill has been Recorded!

you have to remember that lazs has NEVER EVER said that capturing a field or vulching is what he wants, so why would he be flying towards a field?

anyway that myth is busted because he does fly within them fights, not picking like u see in LW.... ive seen it already and i have only ever flown with him once (last night). Just a shame EW rides bore me so much (prefer MW planes, in LW arena

).

anyway, ~~lazs, was a small pleasure flying with you for once, and not having a heated discussion here lol~~

Hades55 · « **Reply #65 on:** October 31, 2006, 03:39:58 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
LYNX: Who do you think wrote Fighter Ops?

As far as the real thing vs the sim, I would say the real thing is generaly easyier.

But do not take that to meen that just because you can fly the sim, you can fly the real thing. Some things translate accross, some do not.

But the dog fight is almost directly transferable once your brain gets aclumated to a forein enviorment.

Hades55: Im not exatly sure what your question is.

HiTech

HT thanks, you have already answer my question..
( As far as the real thing vs the sim, I would say the real thing is generaly easyier. ).

Ofcourse its not the same thing, sim and real flight. No one says that.

When i say easier i mean in numbers *Like* (just hypothetical) .....
real pony stalls @ 120, FR stalls @ 180, real FW stalls @ 120, FR @ 180.

TY for your answer.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #66 on:** October 31, 2006, 03:55:31 PM »

I dont think its the statistics of the plane that HT referes to when he says that its easier to fly irl.

Since Im not a pilot Im only doing assumptions but I would assume it is the connection between the controlls and the plane that make it easier. In a sim you have to simulate alot of things that you feel when flying. These simulations feel unnatural and hence make the experience of flying much less natural and hence harder.

Just my guess.

Tex

FALCONWING · « **Reply #67 on:** October 31, 2006, 05:07:03 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
falc... I allways take between half and three quarters fuel... that is allways enough to run me out of ammo. I am not a great shot... I rarely go over 2k above ground level.. no real point.

As for your idiotic lala7 defense. you must be kidding.. You can take a hurri or an f4f and me the la la and you will never win. I will B&Z you and never risk a thing. I will have the easiest and most boring time of my life.

And... you pick the spit 5 because you can't fight in the slow planes because you can't run away... that is RR to me.

you are right that I prefer fighting closer to my base or at least... half way point... the reason is quite simple... the closer the fight the sooner I get into it and....

With your type around... all I will find if I fly all the way to your field is fast planes with alt because your ilk has allready killed the dot dar..

In the fight we were in together your guys had slight numbers and were accomadating by coming to us. You guys came in with alt and died so....

you proved another of your theories about furballs wrong by coming in low on the water and zooming up at the last minute.... you have espoused that this was what we furballers do and is "easy".... you died ever time you tried and didn't kill anything.

so dockelly (if you are a doc)... it is not I who is busted but your hero. Maybe you should look at his stats on what he flys and what he kills...

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

lol again you rewrite history....i have the films of that night dear sir and i killed everything that moved...when i finally made it to your field you were hiding near the ack and waited til a higher hurricane enaged me to come in and pick me...please!!!!

furboll (hubs) knows how to post films...please tell me when you would like it posted?

oldmn was there as well and he seem slike a fair guy...i hope he is willing to post how often i had any alt at all...great fights with him tho and he at least continued to up...you logged...

and when did a spit5 become a "fast" plane??? thats pretty funny...the 109s and 190s need to fear me in EW i guess.

and you made my point exactly...you could not hope to use a la7 as a turnfiter but instead only know how to use it as a B-n-Z plane. thats why you dont fly it...you cant...

btw i just checked my film folder and i have the film...hubs let me know who to send it too please...thanks

Stang · « **Reply #68 on:** October 31, 2006, 05:56:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Hardly surprising...

I know, but this would be a shocking revelation to 99% of LA-7 drivers...

Back to the purse fight now.

Edit: lol Kev you delete the post?

Kev367th · « **Reply #69 on:** October 31, 2006, 06:05:50 PM »

Sorry yup, but I thought I had dragged things slightly off topic, lol.

Will try and recount -

Noy surprising -
Spit IX - 1942 high alt motor
La7 1944 - low alt motor

La7 has all the advantage in speed/acceleration

Take the La7 to the IX's best alt 25k and up, see how well it does.

As for the XVI -
Acceleration up to top speed is almost identical to La7s time to same speed after which the La7 higher top end kicks in.

Now what if the XVI was at 25lbs boost -
+24mph up to 8000ft, and a climb rate off the runway exceeding 5700fpm (even better accleration than what is has now).
Much better match up. (5700fpm was the exact reason we never got the XVI at 25lbs)

Only Spit close to being in the ballpark is the XIV, but yet again its a high alt Spit. (and perked)

Never get a Spit with close to the same performance down low in AH2 as the La7, if their was it would perked to ludicrous levels.
Or how about one that cruises around at 460mph @ 21k and has 4 nasty hizookas attached to it. (not the Spit ones, ones the Tempest has)

Did I miss anything Stang?

gatt · « **Reply #70 on:** November 01, 2006, 02:04:37 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
they did stuff that we are afraid to do... they climbed up to the enemy for instance... they fought 3 on ones or more.. they fought in inferior planes and didn't care. they upped from capped fields...

Your describing exactly what furballers and dweebs do in AH's arenas, before they are shot down by enemies with higher E, SA and strenght, that is

I doubt a lot they were used to be cought with pants down, biting each other tail, low and slow, between two fields. Did they?

lazs2 · « **Reply #71 on:** November 01, 2006, 08:16:09 AM »

falc... what's the matter? I never seen you that you weren't higher and faster than me... the time I shot you down you were full out on the deck and the "hurricane" you zoomed up at was not attacking you...in fact I told him you were there.. he didn't even know. I followed you up and you were fixated on him and died. Not much skill on either of our parts.

You have fought me once in the arena... but.. you know all about me right? I have flown with ranger too.. ask him how I do it... overlag is not exactly one of my fans but I spent a good deal of time with him and he doesn't confirm what you say..

Now... you can't take any critisism.. you are hardly "LOL" you act like your honor is at stake or something.. Sheesh... oldman is a great guy.. he never says anything bad about anyone no matter how they get the kill... I can bet that I have fought and flown with him a lot more than you have..

Ok... so now I insulted the hero... I expect a lot of hero worship kids to come unglued over it..

In the old MA you flew lalas... probly still do in the lw... I never ran into you because I was never that high and avoided whordes. we don't travel in the same circles... don't pretend that we do and that you know anything about furballs.

Gatt... I have plenty of stories where real fighter pilots did indeed get into furballs that were a confusing swirling mess and they did climb to the enemy and all that dweeby stuff. They didn't fly like you "realism" buffs tho.. they flew in finger fours and wingman positions. Nothing you do is any more "realistic" than the lowest slowest furball.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #72 on:** November 01, 2006, 09:13:44 AM »

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i have never once seen 'vets' treating newbs like this. almost everyone, including the 'evil' furballers, are helpfull and fun dedicated in this game.

Fink, I'm sorry to say, I've seen people treated that way even after the latest arena change. Now, I fly for the bishops all the time, And I'd developed the theory that alot of the new accounts wind up there first...
Henceforth, Maybe why you haven't witnessed it. But on the other side of the coin, I've talked with people who used to fly knight or rook, that said they had the same treatment on that side of the fence.

IMHO, we should pretend that AH is like our own house, and when new players log in the first time, treat them as welcome guests. It would not kill anyone to act the part of the host, would it?

indy007 · « **Reply #73 on:** November 01, 2006, 09:29:46 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Fink, I'm sorry to say, I've seen people treated that way even after the latest arena change. Now, I fly for the bishops all the time, And I'd developed the theory that alot of the new accounts wind up there first...
Henceforth, Maybe why you haven't witnessed it. But on the other side of the coin, I've talked with people who used to fly knight or rook, that said they had the same treatment on that side of the fence.

I fly all 3. All 3 sides are the same. The *ONLY* difference is the shape of their icon.

Most people ignore newbies (to be fair... gets hard to type & fight at times), some people are nice to newbies, but there's a small percentage of ub3r 1337 pwnage salamanders. Happens in every game. It's even worse in other games. Lots of FPS game server admins will kick you just for being a newbie.

The problem is the salamanders stand out in your mind more than the nice guys, even though there's probably a lot less of them than anybody else.

doc1kelley · « **Reply #74 on:** November 01, 2006, 09:43:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
you have to remember that lazs has NEVER EVER said that capturing a field or vulching is what he wants, so why would he be flying towards a field?

anyway that myth is busted because he does fly within them fights, not picking like u see in LW.... ive seen it already and i have only ever flown with him once (last night). Just a shame EW rides bore me so much (prefer MW planes, in LW arena ).

anyway, ~~lazs, was a small pleasure flying with you for once, and not having a heated discussion here lol~~

Well OverLag, we were in MW and he was in a tiffy.

All the Best...
Jay
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