Russia, The Beautiful

[Neubob]

Neonationalism

Really scary stuff being described here. Xenophobia, nationalism, new movements to curb and even reverse integration. Putin's really working hard to bring power back to the Kremlin. I wonder what this is going to mean to the world in another 1-2 decades. If history serves us, one thing is for sure. A new wave of Russian emmigration.

[Debonair]

good.
there is a good russian delicatessan a few miles from me, but i could use one within an easy walking distance

[nirvana]

I like Russians, nice people.  Yes even the mafioso.

[Yeager]

Inside every russian is an american, trying to come home.  Plus, once they get their teeth fixed, russian babes are quite fine

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Neubob
Neonationalism

Really scary stuff being described here. Xenophobia, nationalism, new movements to curb and even reverse integration. Putin's really working hard to bring power back to the Kremlin. I wonder what this is going to mean to the world in another 1-2 decades. If history serves us, one thing is for sure. A new wave of Russian emmigration.

"immigration".   I have no problem with anyone in the world that will treat me the way I treat them.

[Debonair]

Originally posted by Yeager
Inside every russian is an american, trying to come home.  Plus, once they get their teeth fixed, russian babes are quite fine

dont look for pix of the ones from semipalatinsk

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
"immigration".   I have no problem with anyone in the world that will treat me the way I treat them.

Just to clear this up, I said 'emigrate' because all I meant was that they'll be leaving Russia. I have no idea where they will  immigrate to, because there are more choices today, especially for people with money. All of Western Europe is a candidate, as is much of the far East, and Australia.

When my family came over from USSR in the early 80s, we were treated well, and are thankful for that. We were dirt poor, though, and not particulary threatening. Some of the people coming over today are a litte richer, with different agendas. They'll be leaving Russia not for social persecution, but because their freedom of enterprise is being curtailed by Putin.

It will be interesting.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Neubob
Some of the people coming over today are a litte richer, with different agendas. They'll be leaving Russia not for social persecution, but because their freedom of enterprise is being curtailed by Putin.

It will be interesting.

Freedom of enterprise is definetly out of danger.

The article you posted is a 100% typical rant of the people who don't understand anything because they dwell in nightclubs and get their news from "liberal right" loosers.

"anti-Georgian violence sweeping the country" - bull****.

The problem is that the stupid comprador regime hates Russians. Illegal migrants are better workforce then natives: no need for social stuff, no need for reasonable wages. The comedy with Georgia had to develop in severe economical siege and bombings a-la Lybia-1986, but bloody bastards in Kremlin keep feeding our enemies with discounted gas, oil and electricity for 1/5 of the price that Western Europe pays.

Fascism - yes, we get fascism! If Chechens kill Russians in Karelia - it's no problem, but when Russians ask to catch murderers and want Caucsian ethnic gangsout of their town - it's Evil Russian fOscYsm.

Over 50% of crimes in Msk are comitted by illegal immigrants often supported by diasporas. I don't like it. Authorities pretend that there is no such thing as an ethnic crime.

And i absolutely love people who scream of antisemitism now. They probably never turn on their TVs.

Look, I am an inetrnationalist, but when our president says that Russia is not for Russians - I whant him to tell where do he think I should go to. If I don't like "multicultural" newcomers slaughtring their ritual lamb in a sandbox on the playground in my neighbourhood - does it make me a fascist? If someone thinks it does - I'd prefer to be labeled a fascist then to tolerate such things.

I am in Australia now, and i like how Howard adressed immigrants who want to have Shariat laws here. If they don't like elections and independant justice - they are free to leave.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Boroda
"liberal right"

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[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Neubob
Just to clear this up, I said 'emigrate' because all I meant was that they'll be leaving Russia. I have no idea where they will  immigrate to, because there are more choices today, especially for people with money. All of Western Europe is a candidate, as is much of the far East, and Australia.

When my family came over from USSR in the early 80s, we were treated well, and are thankful for that. We were dirt poor, though, and not particulary threatening. Some of the people coming over today are a litte richer, with different agendas. They'll be leaving Russia not for social persecution, but because their freedom of enterprise is being curtailed by Putin.

It will be interesting.

I understood what you meant Neubob.   When you have "emmigration", you in turn have "immigration" due to the population displacement.  I feel bad however, that some are forced to leave their "families behind" sometimes because of the fighting, etc.    

Also, I'm glad you made the US your home.   <>

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Masherbrum


Also, I'm glad you made the US your home.   <>

It's good to be here, Mash.

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[Boroda]

Originally posted by Nilsen
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In Russia everything is slightly distorted and different from the rest of the world (but not as here in Australia where even cars drive on wrong side! I am here for over a month now and still scared in the streets).

Left = Communists and their ever-lazy supporters = conservative.

Right = free-market total theft freaks = liberal.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Boroda
Freedom of enterprise is definetly out of danger.

That's an interesting statement, Beard, and I'd be impressed if you could back it up with opinions from people who actually practice free enterprise in Russia. Just one bona-fide businessman that you can quote as saying 'My freedom to operate is not under threat by the government' will work.

My family does maintain its ties, and of the people that we know who have taken advantage of the new opportunities, not a single one of them doesn't have a contingency plan in the event that everything they worked for is re-nationalized overnight. They all own homes abroad, they all educate their children abroad, maintain the bulk of their assets outside of the country, and most of them hold duel citizenships, green cards, or the like.

A memorable quote from one of my father's closest friends is 'If the time came, I can be on a plane inside of two hours, and never return.' No, he is not a criminal, even by American law. He has just made provisions. Why are they doing this, Beard? Is it because they are just paranoid, or is it because have something to lose, which they never had before, and they can smell yet another upheaval?

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by nirvana
I like Russians, nice people.  Yes even the mafioso.

I take it you do not deal with the latter much....

[lukster]

"In the Soviet Union we have no prostitution. Russian women have trouble giving it away."  - Yakov Smirnoff