Author Topic: Popseed says goodbye... (Read 2626 times)

Laurie · « **Reply #60 on:** November 13, 2006, 03:03:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Wizer
Could someone please tell me what business man goes into business not to make money????

wizer

Money=long term, large, 80%+happy, reliable customer base wizer

~~im no entrerpuener but....~~

Simaril · « **Reply #61 on:** November 13, 2006, 05:18:23 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
fencer.. my reading comprehension is just fine. I simply don't see your problem. If you only want to frly with your squad and they as a squad will only fly 51 and 47 then you have in effect. limited yourself to a 51 47 arena by limiting yourself to that squad... matters not what you personaly will or won't fly.

...snip....

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Lzs --

In fairness, Fencer did say that there are no limits placed -- either in planeset or in who you fly with -- by the 4th FG. That's what he meant by reading comprehension....and well, I guess he had a point. After all, the P-51B and the P-47D-11 are MW planes.

Having been a member of the 4th in the past, I can also say that there is NO pressure about what you fly or who you fly with. It IS kinda cool to be historically based, and since Fencer is also a skinner the 4th has a great collection of historical skins for the planes the 4th FG/ Eagle squadron actually flew: P-51B, P-51D, P-47 (all variants), and Spit V.

The 4th FG does NOT deserve to be hit for things Lazs doesnt like about certain restrictive squads. Those things, for better or worse, just dont apply to the 4th. Those guys do what they like, but mostly they lilke fighters (including some turners). If they happen to like the feel of following a particular RL squadron, why do you care?

So Lazs, you've gotten the wrong tree this time. There's nothing to be hunted up there; and the scent you're chasing is actually another hunting dog!

stephen · « **Reply #62 on:** November 13, 2006, 07:57:47 PM »

AAArghh..well this is just running around in the same circle again isnt it?..

I fly alot of planes, "We" fly alot of diffrent A/C, B26's 24's 17's ju88's 87's, Ki's, 51's, spits, la's, everything pretty much,
I like the fw190 best personaly,..that aspect of the game has always pleased me. Puting them all to use and actualy DO'ing somthing of what I feels like importance {like popping a couple torps at an nme cv} was fun and mabey even possible, but only if you worked together...
The cv's are ignored almost now...until somone ploughs one into an nme airfield.

The game took real tactical thought, and ability, and darnit it leadership........I learnd who put on a good mission, and when your side actualy put faith in the guy leading it, and if he knew his stuff, you could accomplish a great victory..{and you guys are right its just a game}, but WHAT a game, I flew in a 25 person B24 mission once, and we saw probably 3 comets, and 7 262's and I died and it was a friggin blast!

.................and now its gone............the feeling, the happiness, the loss, and the sense of worth, so what do you guys who like the new setup LIKE about it? I mean i dig the early war...and Ii think it would be a mistake to lose it, its great to have alot of guys in there, but THAT doesnt happen either.....I dont mean to be livid but this game is suffering an illness....and as bad a taste as the words "rolling planeset" put in my mouth, it would make darn near everyone happy at-least some of the time........

thanx for the input, thx 4th FG!!!, and thanx for being passionat enough about the "game" to have an opinion. laters.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #63 on:** November 13, 2006, 08:59:10 PM »

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Originally posted by stephen
you could accomplish a great victory

I think this is where the big divide is located. Thanks for summarizing it.

- oldman

lazs2 · « **Reply #64 on:** November 14, 2006, 08:07:14 AM »

sim... I read what fencer said... I just don't see how he can't find an arena where 18 or fewer of his squadies can go. they are a 47/51 squad with... no limitations as you and he say... but..

they are saying that they can't fly with their squadies in this new setup.. that means that they are limiting themselves...

We have the same thing... some of our guys may want to fly the 51d but the rest maybe don't want to go to LW... we could say that HT limited our ability to get together but that would not be true. We are the ones doing it in that case... either the one won't switch or the rest won't go to him.

There is allways plenty of room in some arena if you are willing to fly a variety of planes for any country. that is all I am saying. If the 4th can't get together it is their fault.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Fencer51 · « **Reply #65 on:** November 14, 2006, 10:54:24 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
sim... I read what fencer said... I just don't see how he can't find an arena where 18 or fewer of his squadies can go. they are a 47/51 squad with... no limitations as you and he say... but..
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Wow, I never said that lazs2.

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What alot of people seem to be missing is the "team" aspect in the game. Furballing can be and is fun. Fighter vs Fighter combat is a huge portion of the game, infact it is what air combat is all about. A well ran squadron fighter sweep (4-12 people) is one of the most fun aspects of the game. AH is not set up for team combat on a 4 to 16 person scale. I am not talking about the 30 to 60 person base capturing swarm which was prevelent over the spring/summer in Rookland or on Monday evenings in Bishland.

The changes in the arena setups have caused some problems in squadron operations, but HTC has worked to resolve these and any remaining issues are minor and the squadron's own fault.

It is up to the players to create the "normal" sized squadron activities which build camaraderie and interest in the game. Squadrons are an essential part of the immersion and retention of the playerbase IMHO, and HTC needs to come up with some way to allow that to expand.

I said that the GAME has not provided anything for squadrons to do other than base capture. Again, read carefully before you start throwing out statements like that.

lazs2 · « **Reply #66 on:** November 14, 2006, 02:31:44 PM »

Ok.. so you are saying that the game has not provided anything for a squad to do other than base capture.... I disagree (you can kill red planes) but...

How is this different now than the old MA? Are you saying the new arenas are no better or worse than the old MA so far as squad operations go?

You certainly have no problem getting 4-8 guys all in one arena.

So what are you really complaining about?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Fencer51 · « **Reply #67 on:** November 14, 2006, 04:51:30 PM »

Well, your characterization of Popseed was my only complaint.

The rest was an observation. Thanks for taking time to read it though!

Traveler · « **Reply #68 on:** November 14, 2006, 06:56:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Wizer
Could someone please tell me what business man goes into business not to make money????

wizer

Anyone that goes into the flight school business.

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** November 15, 2006, 08:49:51 AM »

fencer... my only complaint was popyseeds characterization of those who enjoyed fighting red planes, and... his saying that he couldn't find a place for 4-12 or whatever of his squadmates to play.

But.. thanks for reading what I wrote.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Fencer51 · « **Reply #70 on:** November 15, 2006, 10:47:27 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
fencer... my only complaint was popyseeds characterization of those who enjoyed fighting red planes, and... his saying that he couldn't find a place for 4-12 or whatever of his squadmates to play.

But.. thanks for reading what I wrote.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

lazs2,

Popseed never said that either. I think you are mixing your threads or posts in the threads or old posts or something up. Maybe some sort of data program where you can keep track of threads and posts would be helpful.

Not a problem reading your posts in this thread, just don't expect me to try and keep up with you everywhere.

Cheers,

lazs2 · « **Reply #71 on:** November 15, 2006, 02:18:45 PM »

fencer... he said..

"I like ftrs, and bombers, flying and fighting, winning at great cost, and losing despite great effort.......but thats all gone replaced by a newb ftr pilots dream, and any aspect of map winning has long since been abandond,.... for all you nay-sayer's ill just say this, there will come a time when you no longer seek ftr on ftr combat exclusivly, when you may find it more fun to try and win a map with team work, and hard work, and time...but it will be as empty for you as it is for me now......"

Now if that does not say it I don't know what does.... ".......but thats all gone replaced by a newb ftr pilots dream, "

he doesn't stop there tho but condencends to tell us that some day when we grow up......

"you no longer seek ftr on ftr combat exclusivly, when you may find it more fun to try and win a map with team work, and hard work, and time..."

yeah... the real "hard work" of the tic tac toe complexity of strat in the game....

In all.. the post was pouty and condencending.. what kind of a reaction did he expect? How am I reading it wrong?

In fact... I think just the opposite of what he says is true... it is the mouse weilding newbies who embrace the hamster wheel field capture and griefing and the vets who embrace fighter on fighter.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Tumor · « **Reply #72 on:** November 15, 2006, 11:02:36 PM »

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Originally posted by gatt
Lazs,
I canceled my account becouse during my wife-free euro evenings or saturdays I wasnt able to find a well populated arena and always fly the plane I wanted. I wasnt always able to find a big fight, a big raid to intercept, a field to defend from enemy missions. And above all my squad was not always able to gather and play togheter. All things I/we were able to do in the old chaotic MA. Thats why.

Sorry to hear that gatt... come back soon. Nothing HTC's done has a real effect on flying with squadies or finding a big fight without a little patience.

Tumor

Tumor · « **Reply #73 on:** November 15, 2006, 11:12:14 PM »

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Would you agree that the current set-up has actually created a bigger imbalance in numbers on a more regular basis?

I would... since the arena setup change, I've seen more horde warrioring than before. I've also seen a tendency in the "larger" of arena's for daytime flyer's to take advantage of the lack of balance to create serious imbalance in geographic terms for the "night flyer's" (ie, the bulk of the game U.S. time-zones). I'm not restricting my observation to any particular side, however... I'm sure the last week+ has been an eye opener to your average Rook in Orange-land.