Bad Monkey

[DamnedRen]

I've already told you. I don't switch daily. I'm a C-La.....errr, Knit. If and when my squad decides to inhabit some other country I'll move with it. Until then I'll remain a C....err,Knit. The last time we switched sides was 3-4 years ago, I think. If I remember rightly we moved for a month or two then went back to C-Land. We can't help it. We always been C-Landers.....err,Knits.  

Other the other hand, as a trainer, I have been asked to join trainees in their country to fly alongside for a day or two. I do change to accomadate the trainees. I think the last time was around 7 months ago for a day or two.

IF there are 10 knits in C-Land....errr..Gree....errr,Knitland then that's where you'll find me. If there are 8000 there, that's where you'll find me. I don't change for numbers. I just get up and fly as do my squadies.

Hope this helps.

Ren
The Damned

[Enduro]

Cz have always been out numbered.  That's why we've flown Cz for so many years.  (ah, memories.)

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Would guess that Az and Bz wouldn't have La7s etc due to ENY restrictions with those numbers, in fact I'm sure they wouldn't.

Unless of course your talking about MW/EW arenas.

Kev you're a bish, I believe. so you probably wouldn't notice the predicaments of the other chess pieces-- since the new equal 2 arena setup, most nights Rooks hopelessly outnumbered in both LW's (YES, with the numbers posted above, the other side had Lgays and Nikis)

The bigger thing here is human nature, not failings of the game. --Ya got 97, 89, and 57 for rooks, and both countries hit rooks, because it's easier. Kills ALWAYS come more easily in a numbers-positive environment, which is why you see some guys' ranks increasing dramatically since the new setup--there are TONS of places now to find outnumbered countries to gang. Most folks in AH don't want good fights, they just want kills, and Hitech cant fix that

[WMLute]

This is how I figure it.

Knights=Cz
Rooks=Bz
Bishop=Az


That close to how others perceive it?

(edit: I will/do/have switched sides for balance purposes, but deep down in my heart I am a Knight)

[Enduro]

hardly.  Rooks are Cz.  

[Overlag]

Originally posted by bj229r
Kev you're a bish, I believe. so you probably wouldn't notice the predicaments of the other chess pieces-- since the new equal 2 arena setup, most nights Rooks hopelessly outnumbered in both LW's (YES, with the numbers posted above, the other side had Lgays and Nikis)

The bigger thing here is human nature, not failings of the game. --Ya got 97, 89, and 57 for rooks, and both countries hit rooks, because it's easier. Kills ALWAYS come more easily in a numbers-positive environment, which is why you see some guys' ranks increasing dramatically since the new setup--there are TONS of places now to find outnumbered countries to gang. Most folks in AH don't want good fights, they just want kills, and Hitech cant fix that

rooks own EW and MW......

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Overlag
rooks own EW and MW......

Yah, but....who cares? That's like winning the Division 2 college champoinship:noid

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Enduro
hardly.  Rooks are Cz.  

Knits have always been C-Land. Don't you see the green icons?
Rooks....letter begins with "R" for red...yep rooks is red....therefore B-Landers...

I can't say C as someone might think it's some sort of movement when it's not.
'sides when us old "knits" say movement the younguns around here think bathroom.

It's just a discussion along the lines of using the terms A, B or C as was noted in the beginning thread. And, since the Knits can obviously compared to Cland......

Ren
The Damned

[Atoon]

Ren, I used Az Bz & Cz JUST to keep it ANNONIMOUS. How nice of you to try to figure out who is who, Stop trying to change the subject & just stick with the Topic please- That old game you keep referring to is DEAD, and has NOTHING to do with this subject.

When I quoted your response in my last post, I answered each question individually. I am no BBS master and I don't know how to answer each of your questions without inserting my answers into your quote. My answeres to your questions are *within the stars*.

Seems like bj229 understands the point of the post, IMO most everyone else is just trying to draw attention FROM the point, as if in some way they didnt want to admit or face the reality of the situation.

I will say I logged on the other day into LWblue, the arena had pretty even numbers & much to my surprise there was good sized dar bars on all 3 fronts. I had a great time, I died plenty & landed many. Had some great battles, gave & recieved several 's- COINCIDENCE??? I think not-:aok

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by bj229r
Kev you're a bish, I believe. so you probably wouldn't notice the predicaments of the other chess pieces-- since the new equal 2 arena setup, most nights Rooks hopelessly outnumbered in both LW's (YES, with the numbers posted above, the other side had Lgays and Nikis)

The bigger thing here is human nature, not failings of the game. --Ya got 97, 89, and 57 for rooks, and both countries hit rooks, because it's easier. Kills ALWAYS come more easily in a numbers-positive environment, which is why you see some guys' ranks increasing dramatically since the new setup--there are TONS of places now to find outnumbered countries to gang. Most folks in AH don't want good fights, they just want kills, and Hitech cant fix that

Yup I'm a Bish.
Yup Bish and Knit tend to have the numbers in the LW arenas.
Rooks tend to have them in the MW arena.

Who hits who depends on which country is closest to being reset -

a) If all three are relatively equal in bases, fight will be on all fronts.
b) If two are equal or close on base count and one low, the low one tends to get gangbanged.
c) If One country is way ahead on base count they are hitting the low country, while the 2nd place country is trying to catch the high one.

This is NO different from what it was before the changes.

What is different -
Not only are there country jumpers if a reset is on the cards, there are arena jumpers.
Result is the low country loses players a lot faster now when a reset is close.

Totally agree, the big thing is human nature -
a) HT seems to think he is using human nature to get what he wants.
b) I think he is actually trying to change human nature to get what he wants, which will never work.

[edit] All 3 countries have experienced the "nothing going on" on one front scenario, irrespective of player numbers.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Yup I'm a Bish.
Yup Bish and Knit tend to have the numbers in the LW arenas.
Rooks tend to have them in the MW arena.

Who hits who depends on which country is closest to being reset -

a) If all three are relatively equal in bases, fight will be on all fronts.
b) If two are equal or close on base count and one low, the low one tends to get gangbanged.
c) If One country is way ahead on base count they are hitting the low country, while the 2nd place country is trying to catch the high one.

This is NO different from what it was before the changes.

What is different -
Not only are there country jumpers if a reset is on the cards, there are arena jumpers.
Result is the low country loses players a lot faster now when a reset is close.

Totally agree, the big thing is human nature -
a) HT seems to think he is using human nature to get what he wants.
b) I think he is actually trying to change human nature to get what he wants, which will never work.

[edit] All 3 countries have experienced the "nothing going on" on one front scenario, irrespective of player numbers.

Yup.

[E25280]

Originally posted by bj229r
Kev you're a bish, I believe. so you probably wouldn't notice the predicaments of the other chess pieces-- since the new equal 2 arena setup, most nights Rooks hopelessly outnumbered in both LW's (YES, with the numbers posted above, the other side had Lgays and Nikis)

The bigger thing here is human nature, not failings of the game. --Ya got 97, 89, and 57 for rooks, and both countries hit rooks, because it's easier. Kills ALWAYS come more easily in a numbers-positive environment, which is why you see some guys' ranks increasing dramatically since the new setup--there are TONS of places now to find outnumbered countries to gang. Most folks in AH don't want good fights, they just want kills, and Hitech cant fix that

Rooks are the home of some of the best-known "score potatos" of the game.  Part of that is creating a local "numbers-postitive" environment to pad their kill scores.  So, IMO Rooks simply have their own problem of players not interested in what some of you would call a "fair fight", because they actively avoid it themselves.  Seems to me the complaint is a little bit of misplaced anger coupled with a little pot and kettle.

By the way, that is not meant as a dig at those that go for rank.  They are undeniably good at what they do, are evidently having fun doing it, and never are at a loss of those that fall for it (intentionally or not) and continue to up into their vulch-fests.  But, a "fair fight" it obviously isn't.

So, my main point is, although the situation is clearly frustrating for some Rooks, claiming "innocent victim" status for your chess piece is a stretch to put it mildly.

My $0.02.

[DamnedRen]

Atoon, to quote you:
2 countries with superior numbers, Vs 1 country with a fraction of numbers of either the first country, let alone both combined. On top of that, 90% of the players from the 2 coutries with numbers & truce were in alted N1ks, la7s & spits.
Country A=97 players
Country B=89 players
Country C=57 players
Dar Bar indicates approximatley 10-15, Az Vs Bz planes in Battle. Lets give a VERY generous GV count on the Az Vs Bz front of 20 GV players... for a grand total of 35 combined Az Vs Bz players. This GENEROUS figure leaves 151 Az & Bz, Vs 57 Cz. But if that wasnt Bad enough The A/z & Bz were in 90% spits, la7s & N1ks......................... .....
Whats the point? If you need that much advantage, why not just fly offline?
What is it you all are trying to prove? (possible answer) "if we screw up the arenas enough, HTC will have to admit the error of their ways & give us back the old MA"
I just cant imagine any logical reason for the player base to condone this type of behavior. Yet, It was the player base that did it.
Is it really so much fun to have such alt, numbers & plane advantage? Do you really feel a sense of accomplishment when you & 3 countrymen dive 10k to blast a lower & more difficult to fly plane? Are you proud to review the map, the numbers, the plane choice, the alt & the truce in a sort of "ethnic cleansing" way? WTF promotes this behavior?

My point was your apparent effort to classify something that has been going on as long as I've been playing online air sim combat games. One side is ALWAYs undermanned. Two sides hit what's easier to hit. And, it was never listed anywhere on any rules and regs for playing this game or any other flight sim for that matter, that you MUST switch sides just because you have too many players. If you happen to like flying for a particular Country no one is stopping you nor should anyone try to tell other players how to play. I also said, if there are only 10 C-landers (knits, of course) up flying then I'll be one of them.  Oh yeah, IF there were me and 3 other countrymen (hopefully squadies) then 2 would go down and kill the lower, more difficult to fly plane. The other 2 would stay up for high cover. Why would anyone want to waste alt like that with 4 planes?

Your post is kinda like greased. pig wrestiling. The pig luvs it. You just get dirty and frustrated. Try joining one Country for a year and don't change, no matter what. See what happens to your gameplay and attitude. I think you'll find one day (or week even) your Country (are you B or C Lander, BTW) will have the numbers. The next you'll be low group in the arena. And so it goes.....

Speaking of behavior, where did you ever get the idea that what your thread is about is something new and bad?

Hope this helps.

Ren
The Damned

[Kev367th]

Perfect example from approx 3.20pm EST today (Sunday)
Have screenies also.

LW1 -
Bish 90
Knit 76
Rook 61

LW2
Bish 44
Knit 63
Rook 86

Of course LW1 was a Bish/Knit gangbang on the Rooks
and
LW2 was a Knit/Rook gangbang on the Bish.

Just shows the changes HAVEN'T done anything to make things 'fairer' or even better for the LW arenas, if anything it's 100 times worse.

In LW1 once the Rooks lost their HQ bases their numbers dropped to 40, probably went to LW2, making that worse.

Yup new changes work fine, keep your heads in the sand.

[edit] Just noticed if you add up the totals for each they come out pretty even -

Bish 134
Knit 139
Rook 147

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Yup new changes work fine, keep your heads in the sand.

[edit] Just noticed if you add up the totals for each they come out pretty even -

Bish 134
Knit 139
Rook 147

exactly what quiet a flew of us have been saying for a few weeks now...... but its as if we are banging our heads against a brick wall.