Author Topic: Stick a Fork in Me! (Read 6033 times)

Pongo · « **Reply #30 on:** May 13, 2000, 11:21:00 AM »

lazs is realy gettin up a head of steam.

Dnil · « **Reply #31 on:** May 13, 2000, 11:42:00 AM »

I guess I want to like this sim much more then I do. I mean it does have potential. IMHO lately its just big free for all with the same issues I had with WB. I loved the scenarios and HA stuff. I like trying to simulate something that may have happened in the past. Again thats just me and right now its not there. The players have come along with some great stuff with the TOD and other scenarios but they really need CM tools and realistic terrains. Which I am sure are on the way.

I have 1 more month in me, I feel I can find some enjoyment still but its getting less and less. I guess since I have been down to the holy grail of projects and seen the stuff first hand I may be a bit jaded. I just want something new and ground breaking.

I just havent found it YET!

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Dnil
JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer

Swager · « **Reply #32 on:** May 13, 2000, 12:27:00 PM »

Dnil,

My Squadmate! A little information for ya! If you even talk about quitting again, I'll come down there, search you out, buy ya a whole bunch of beers and find out what's really troubling ya!!

Have a nice day!!

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Swager
I/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"

JG2 "Richthofen"

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Pyro · « **Reply #33 on:** May 13, 2000, 12:58:00 PM »

Just take a break Weaz, the show's just beginning.

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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Torque · « **Reply #34 on:** May 13, 2000, 03:19:00 PM »

Gawd Damnit Swager u know that was me, heard one ping wing fell off.
Instead of coming here and ranting I said not 1 word and replaned.

Other than making a small Voodoo doll of you, which I threw over the fence coated in steak sauce to my neighbours 2 pitbulls.

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Swager · « **Reply #35 on:** May 13, 2000, 08:47:00 PM »

Darn Torque! I wish I would of seen some smiley faces in your reply! Makes me feel kinda bad that the pitbulls are not getting fed good enough!

I knew it was you, and you knew it was you, but noone else did. I would not use an enemy's handle in a post in an open forum. If I upset you (because lack of smiley's), I'm sorry ! I used the word distinguished! As you are deeply into that category!

If I was ranting, I would of used your name, because shooting you down is something to rant about!! Flaming you is a major accomplishment for me. You are one of the pilots I feel most uneasy about, when I know your are in the area.

We Cool?

Hope not to see ya up there!!

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Swager
I/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"

JG2 "Richthofen"

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Torque · « **Reply #36 on:** May 13, 2000, 11:45:00 PM »

I thought they should know whom you meant. Since it was such a great shot I was 400 IAS converging on a steep headon kinda angle.

Never even pulled trigger.

BTW the ranting thingy in above post was not directed at you Swag.Twas a very long shot and I accepted it instead of coming here and you know.

Voodoo thing still applies tho and I just am not in a type smiley face day that's all.

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Oosik · « **Reply #37 on:** May 14, 2000, 12:14:00 AM »

weazel I hope that door doesn't hit me in the bellybutton too. I'll come back when it is fun again. But no sense in paying to be pissed off

Yeager · « **Reply #38 on:** May 14, 2000, 12:31:00 AM »

I dont know whether to laugh or to cry.

Perhaps Ill do both.

Jeeze....

Yeager

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Citabria · « **Reply #39 on:** May 14, 2000, 12:58:00 AM »

why are you guys pissed off?
wtf?

weazel · « **Reply #40 on:** May 14, 2000, 02:01:00 AM »

It`s a combination of things Citabria.
While I trust and believe Pyro and HTC have modeled the guns according to the proper specs,the realistic gunnery model just doesn`t work well with the range computing gunsights.

What we end up with are long range sniper kills and an arena full of people who confuse this with skill. I`m sure you know the type-they grab the plane with the best guns then lurk on the edges of the action and wait for someone to commit before rushing in and spraying them with cannon and dash back to the cover of ack. While I guess this type of dweebery must be fun for some of these so called "uber pilots",it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Citabria I agree with the idea to dump the range counters under D-3.0,after doing a no-icon fight in the TA it almost completely eliminates the long range sniper crap and places the emphasis on flying skills-not the guns.

Yeager ,yes you`ve seen this thread before-only question is did the author of that thread initially have a valid complaint?
(before it became a BBQ pit)

Torque this wasn`t a rant-more of a statement venting my frustration with the arcade gunnery currently in effect,if you weren`t having fun wouldn`t you do the same?

How else is HTC going to know about percieved problems or customer satisfaction/dissatisfaction if customers don`t voice their opinons?

So take your limp wristed attempts at flaming me and go play shoot em up in your "psuedo noodle",leave the flames to someone who knows how to do it right.

Lazs,your hook is rusty and the bait smells rancid, you should change it if you going to fish in this pond.

Hristo · « **Reply #41 on:** May 14, 2000, 02:26:00 AM »

Yes, I’d blame icons and range indicators for uberness of certain cannons.

Removing them might start whole different issues on this board too, but generally I think it would be a step to right direction. Of curse, Knight P 51 has to recognize a Rook P 51 etc, so maybe a red line or something could be kept under enemy planes (and green line under friendly, of course).

In HA no icons/indicators would be great.

How would it affect gunnery ?

With icons removed, IMO, Hispanos will become just unneccessary weight. Sure they can kill beyond ID range, but that’s just their real life problem – too powerful for WW2 combat. If WW2 planes had range finders, I am sure LW would come with something more powerful than MG 151/20. At usual 200 yards firing ranges MG 151 vs Hispano difference is negligible.

Yeager · « **Reply #42 on:** May 14, 2000, 03:56:00 AM »

Weas,

I dont have any gripes with the guns modeling. Ive been to the place they call realistic and it wasnt any better and was arguably worse for a lot of end users.

I do have some questions about the guns behavior on the 1C and feel that its introduction was a slip in an otherwise tremendously clean game build.

Yeager

StSanta · « **Reply #43 on:** May 14, 2000, 04:10:00 AM »

I agre completely with hristos. At ranges under 300, the difference between Hispanos and 51's is there, but not such a major factor as it is beyond that distance, especially beyond 500.

So, if we could renmove the icons, which would be good for experienced pilots but make life for newbies a little more difficult, I'll retract my support for removal of the cannon hog.

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StSanta
II/JG2

Sparks · « **Reply #44 on:** May 14, 2000, 05:06:00 AM »

Weazel - I am new to AH and relatively new to sims but even in my very humble opnion I think you are just suffering from burnout and need a break. Sure AH has some bugs but are they enough to want you to give up your time invested so far and move on ? - I hope not.
There seem to be a few distinct issues here:-
1. Gameplay (fragfest)
Firstly everyone seems to agree that they enjoy the scenarios and structured events as they provide some realism to the flying.
OK that understood, why is it that in the MA it is such a free for all and anyone who suggests organising a planned operation is either flamed as a wanna-be general or ignored??
Then, these boards are filled with messages about the poor gameplay in the MA.
IT is the SAME people who fly in the MA, scenarios and write to these boards - isn't that kind of odd ??
[WE] are responsible for how the MA operates in day to day flying - choose not to take part with your countrymen and squad mates and a fragfest is what you'll get - it's our choice.
I've come from AW3 and it was the same there in the Full Realism Arena. It's a people issue and I can't see it being better anywhere else.

2.Bugs and Modelling Problems.
There are bugs and modelling problems in AH but I would argue they are acceptable when set against the overall quality of the Sim and the rate of progress - after all we are only at version 1.xx. AW3 was at 3.13 when I left and still had major bugs which we were informed were NOT going to be addressed (e.g. if you traversed a turret in a buff and elevated at the same time the traverse direction would reverse - made gunning interesting!).
I argue that AH is still just in it's fledgling stages and I think that if it's this good now then I certainly want to be around in a year or two's time. I cannot accept that the team who have produced something of this quality are going to stand by and watch others overtake them and so I believe the bugs and issues will be resolved.
I also believe that those solutions will bring other problems - thats computing and progress - it won't be different anywhere else.
One thing I am sure of is that the new products coming along - WB and the new AW (not vietnam now notice...) will be as bug ridden as their predecessors and you can be sure it is way more difficult to get through to the designers of those products than to the AH team.

For me AH Weazel the downsides are more than compensated by the oulook for the future. I can see that if you've been in AH for a long time - since the beta etc then the downs will seem pretty old by now but I think it would be a mistake to chuck it all in completely - take a break and come back fresh. If you move elsewhere then I would suggest you look for the signs of the cycle of events which brought you to leave AH starting again in your new choice - coz I'm sure they will appear.

I hope you and any of the other experienced people who may be thinking of leaving think VERY hard first - the newer community here need you.