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Chinese submarine got within torpedo range of US CV
« on: November 13, 2006, 05:53:41 AM »
Why does this come as a suprise really? I bet the russians got within that range several times during the cold war. I know that other western subs can do it with  ease. US subs could also get withing that range of anything the chinese or russians have thats worth following.



http://washingtontimes.com/national/20061113-121539-3317r.htm

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2006, 06:13:41 AM »
Ooh boy.. I see a can of worms.. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2006, 06:19:26 AM »
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Ooh boy.. I see a can of worms.. :rolleyes:


And i bet its tempting... come on.. have a snack, I know you want to :D

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 06:21:48 AM »
Maybe someone on the CV ordered some Chinese food. Perhapse the sub was picking up a load or laundry?

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 06:49:14 AM »
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Maybe someone on the CV ordered some Chinese food. Perhapse the sub was picking up a load or laundry?


Most likely they were just delivering the new printed circuit boards for the Tomahawk updates. :D
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 06:50:02 AM »
diesel electric boats are very difficult to detect.  I'm surprised that the chinese have developed a screw that operates quietly.  I wonder if our german allies have sold them the screws or the milling machines with which to make these screws.  In any event it's a good thing that this incident occurred.  let's hope it serves as a wake up call to those in power here.  we shouldn't be trading with china, we should be planning to bomb the three gorges dam for starters.

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2006, 07:08:34 AM »
You can safely bet that you'll never hear the full story.  The US Navy has been playing tag with other nation's subs and fleets for decades.  Not sure why anyone is suprised by this, but of course it sounds better if the media plays it up like this is something suprisingly unusual.

Like the last line in the article where they say they can't find out if a diplomatic protest was filed...  Filed with who, over what imagined offense?

One thing that isn't even brought up, is why the sub surfaced or speculation on if he was operating alone.  Maybe it surfaced because it had already been "caught" by the escort attack sub?  Or maybe it surfaced just to prove the point?  Or maybe there was another sub lying in wait elsewhere and the surfaced sub wanted to see what we'd do?  Regardless, there is probably a lot more (and also a lot less) to the story than the writer will ever know or even imagine.

Heh...  A formal complaint?  I can see it now...

The US would like to formally complain that your subs are good enough to sneak up on our most powerful carrier task force.  Please stop being so sneaky and scaring us like that.  You're being mean, and I'm going home to tell my mommy.  :furious

Remember, a japanese fishing boat snuck up on a surfacing US sub just a couple of years ago, and the Russians are still playing bears vs. eagles over the pole.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2006, 07:18:35 AM »
the USA and china are not at war, what did you expect the USA to do when the chinese sub was detected and it was detected.  sink it?

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2006, 07:19:50 AM »
Hehe.. i dont see how they can complain if it was in international waters anyway.

The tag thing has as you say been going on since the 50s. Often we get requests by Nato ships when they are around here to send one of our electric subs after them for practise. The swedes are leasing an entire sub with crew to the USN for training and both parties gets alot out of these exercieses. Whoever owns the sub in these training excercises usually wins.

I was not at all suprised that the Chinese did this, but its the fact that it was news that kinda baffeled me. Either they belive that the general public is not aware of these things or they are trying to stir up something. It sounds more like the kind of "news story" that would make it to the Discovery Channel. They tend to air or produce some of the dumbest "documentaries" around when it comes to military matters.

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2006, 07:20:11 AM »
Don't some subs also use the Stirling engine for stealth ops?
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2006, 07:23:47 AM »
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Don't some subs also use the Stirling engine for stealth ops?


A few subs are around with that kind of technology, but the chinese are not there...yet.

The germans, swedes, italians to name a few have them. Most new subs in the order books have a variation of the stirling engine now.

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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2006, 07:24:31 AM »
No I bet they surfaced just to let Clive Cussler jump into one of them NUMA deep sea expedition ships trailing the task force. They had Clive as a hood ornament but decided to trade him for a bikini-cled woman.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2006, 07:25:49 AM »
Maybe chuck norris heard the sub and lifted it out of the water

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2006, 07:43:08 AM »
I sank a us carrier with a chinese kilo in dangerous waters. Those little kilos are very quiet as long as the batteries last. Not as much fun as an akula and those 63cm tubes though.

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2006, 07:48:11 AM »
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Maybe chuck norris heard the sub and lifted it out of the water


Hey that could be true.. I can picture this scenario:

Chuck Norris took one look at the sub which made the water around the sub freeze and pop it to the surface.
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