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The Army's boot camp is now easier than the Air Force's
« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2006, 11:49:48 AM »
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We've had this exact same argument before.  This debate will get no where and will probably go in a circle 2-3 times before this thread is closed.




So let's keep talking about how big of pansies the army is.  :D

LOL, Betcha that's exactly what happens, it's right up there with the "perk the La7.Spit 16" threads...:aok

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« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2006, 05:44:50 PM »
Man this thred got HIJACKED fast :O :noid
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« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2006, 08:13:05 PM »
[A "touchy-feely" CNN reporter, while interviewing an Army sniper asked, "What do you feel when you shoot a terrorist?"]
The Army sniper shrugged and replied, "Recoil".

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  A keeper for sure.  LMAO!

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« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2006, 08:58:54 AM »
That video almost looks bogus.

That goofy looking guy in the combats near the beginning was in danger of tripping over his hair. Since when do recruits have hair? (or their DI's for that matter?)

Something fishy about that whole video.

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« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2006, 09:25:14 AM »
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That video almost looks bogus.

That goofy looking guy in the combats near the beginning was in danger of tripping over his hair. Since when do recruits have hair? (or their DI's for that matter?)

Something fishy about that whole video.

RTR


ummm....the one's with hair.....those are females!

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« Reply #110 on: November 14, 2006, 09:28:53 AM »
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Keep in mind when I say "I beat my flight today" that is instructorspeak for "they did ALOT of pushups"

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     I don't know Gun...I sort of caught that mental sigh at the end of your
statement too :D

     I had a good time in USAF basic in 81..and an interesting TI that was
an ex-Marine.  He had some very USMC ideas about basic :lol

     I agree about easy..heck even I made honor grad :)
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« Reply #111 on: November 14, 2006, 09:34:49 AM »
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I don't know Gun...I sort of caught that mental sigh at the end of your
statement too :D

     I had a good time in USAF basic in 81..and an interesting TI that was
an ex-Marine.  He had some very USMC ideas about basic :lol

     I agree about easy..heck even I made honor grad :)


I allways tell my flights "there will be no honor grads, I don't like doing the paperwork.  Everyone will be disqualified before they graduate for something or another"  Yes I'm a mean bastard sometimes.  Right now I'm actually down for 3 weeks.  I have to go out and find things to do during the daytime or go help a buddy out and give a fresh voice to his flight.

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« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2006, 11:25:32 AM »
I went through OSUT (single unit training) at Fort Knox in 1985, which was a combined basic/AIT course that ran 14 weeks. It was Armored Reconnaissance (19D) combat arms training, with no real AIT phase like you have with support MOSs. My last 4 weeks were actually as tough as the first 4 weeks (with an "odd" two week slack off in the middle). The Drills still inflicted some "physical adjustments" though it was kept low key and out of sight since it was a no-no even then. I then spent 6 years as a military instructor (CTT and 19D skill set) in the Reserves alongside our unit DIs and conducted both active component training (at Ft. Knox and Ft. Hood) and reserve component retraining at Ft. McCoy.

An odd setup, since when not with trainees the lowest ranking people tended to be E3/4s and a formation for the squadron was about the size of a company.

The training was tough, not 1940s-1960s tough, but mentally and physically demanding, with a lot of fairly complicated skills to be passed along at the time. Smoking was discouraged greatly, dissent was not tolerated, professionalism ruled -- it was a tough, slick almost scientific process when I was on the receiving end and the administering end. As a reservist, there were only a very few units considered mission ready for an active army mission, and my squadron was one of them. Standards were upheld at both the training and trainee end. People were washed out, even with manpower demands.

However, apparently things have changed with the co-ed force, the overt PC and the need to meet numbers with an increasingly unpopular war, etc.

Here's a piece from Hackworth documenting the change in 2000 (I’ve posted it before), and I can only imagine it's gotten worse. I would hope the combat arms are still standing fairly firm on standards, but I have a bad feeling about that… Hackworth’s philosophy:

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I feel the flashback coming-- the day I got off the train at Fort Knox ("Come here, dogface. Your bellybutton is mine.”). I see myself a few days later trotting around the parade ground, holding the 60-pound base-plate of a 81mm mortar over my head, screaming "I'M a BIG bellybutton BIRD" at the top of my voice, shouting and staggering until my arms finally give out, the steel plate misses my head by a hair, and I'm lying with my nose in the mud wondering if I'll ever get out of Basic alive.

The point being, of course, that the very ruthlessness of the drill hardened me for something one hell of a lot more brutal.

Combat.

"That's not our mission," Lt. Col. Henry says. The rough stuff's for the shock troops training at Benning. "Here we're inoculating them for the prospect of maybe having a fight, hanging in there until the cavalry or infantry arrives to save the day."

Tough training for the line units, marshmallows for the rear? Talk about denial. In modern warfare, there is no front. Command and control nodes, airfields, supply dumps, logistics units, transport, the hospital, everything's fair game. If anything, in guerrilla warfare and terrorist actions, those targets are even more likely to be hit. A young sergeant I know put it this way: 'That U.S. Army name tag on your chest is the biggest bull's-eye in the world. These young soldiers are going to be in Korea. They're going to be in Bosnia. They are really exposed, man. When our cooks and clerks ran convoys of deuces and hummers through the streets of Mogadishu, do you think the Somalis were not going to shoot at them because they were 'noncombatants'' http://www.hackworth.com/article04032002c.html


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« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2006, 06:49:12 PM »
While doing morning inspection at Great Lakes, camp Porter in summer of 72. I noticed a piece of toilet paper stuck to a boots face in an obvious attempt to stop the bleeding from a small shaving cut. Getting into my normal nose to nose stance with the maggot. Exhaling stale beer belches into his face, I "not so gently" asked him what that s*it was on his face? Sir" thats blood from a shaving cut "sir. I replied "Did I give you permission to bleed"? He said "Sir No Sir". I said "then quit and get down and give me 20".