Using the Disconnect to prevent being killed

[Traveler]

Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying  from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying  from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?

discoes count as deaths, and do affect your kill death ratio. why someone would intentionally disco to avoid being killed is just stupid.

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Major Biggles
discoes count as deaths, and do affect your kill death ratio. why someone would intentionally disco to avoid being killed is just stupid.

It may count as a death to the person that disconnects but the guy that would have gotten credit for the kill, gets nothing.  I have it on film.  Same guy does it a lot.  My question to you is; is it cheating?

See rule #8.

[BigR]

you still get credit for a kill if you are the closest guy to the bailer, and if he hasnt taken damage from anyone else. The only thing you dont get is perks. Not that big of a deal IMO. I Rarely see it happen in practice. Maybe 2 times total this month.

[Traveler]

Originally posted by BigR
you still get credit for a kill if you are the closest guy to the bailer, and if he hasnt taken damage from anyone else. The only thing you dont get is perks. Not that big of a deal IMO. I Rarely see it happen in practice. Maybe 2 times total this month.

You are not correct about being the closest guy to the bailer?  I have it on film and no one got credit for the kill.  I unerstand, if you are the shooter you are cheated out of the kill, it affects your score, you lose the perks.  But that was not the information I was seeking.  My question still remains , is it cheating?  Is it cheating if you enter into a dog fight and when it appears that you are going to lose, you intentionally disconnect, so that the other pilot in the dog fight gets no credit for the kill.

[plank]

I don't think quitting the game would be considered cheating. It may be amoral and a childish way out of the fight but doubtful it is looked upon as cheating.

[Flatbar]

IIRC, if you damage someone who then discos w/o damage from anybody else you will get credit and perks for that kill as if he just augered. There will be a delay that can last a few minutes but credit will be given when the host has finaly updated his position as discoed.

The trick is to keep alive until this happens.

[BugsBunny]

Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying  from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?

It would be if it did not record the death.  It does.  Not sure what the time is but if you wait and you had rounds in him, you will get the kill message.  If not, it counts as a death for him

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Flatbar
IIRC, if you damage someone who then discos w/o damage from anybody else you will get credit and perks for that kill as if he just augered. There will be a delay that can last a few minutes but credit will be given when the host has finaly updated his position as discoed.

The trick is to keep alive until this happens.

I have the film that shows that no one got credit for the kill after he disconnected.  We flew for about 10 minutes after the fight to RTB.  Neither myself or my wingman got credit.

[Simaril]

Traveller, it can take up to several minutes for the credit to arrive.

And it does arrive, provided you are EITHER in proxy range at his disco OR you have landed the most damage prior to disco.




But lets ask the bigger question.....why do you care? Who cares about kill credit, or points, enough to stay worked up about it? Yeah, its annoying as heck (My pet peeve has always been the buffers who let you take the time to climb up, then dive to till range over 3K and disco/bail). But its not worth wasting more than a few seconds of grunting. You cant change losers, and if they want to play that way getting mad about it only increases their griefer's enjoyment !

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Simaril
Traveller, it can take up to several minutes for the credit to arrive.

And it does arrive, provided you are EITHER in proxy range at his disco OR you have landed the most damage prior to disco.




But lets ask the bigger question.....why do you care? Who cares about kill credit, or points, enough to stay worked up about it? Yeah, its annoying as heck (My pet peeve has always been the buffers who let you take the time to climb up, then dive to till range over 3K and disco/bail). But its not worth wasting more than a few seconds of grunting. You cant change losers, and if they want to play that way getting mad about it only increases their griefer's enjoyment !

My question from the start has been, do you consider it cheating? and even though this person disconnected.  I damaged his P51B by taking off part of his right wing.  I have no damage, I fly for another 10 minutes to RTB and neither myself or my wingman receive a kill credit for the P51B.  I have it on AH film.  I just wondered if it was cheating?  in the film you can see exactly when he disconnects.  It was a 2 on 2 fight.  I also killed his wingman (109) and got that kill credit after blowing off the outer portion of the P51's wing.

[Simaril]

Forst about the kill credit...I have had occasions where I dont get the message, but I notice that it showed up on stats pages. (IE, the guy in the Ki61 did it, and I know for certain that my Ki61 kill total went up even though I never got the message). Maybe thats what happened to you?


Second....well, technically its not cheating, because the game rules allow it to happen. True cheating requires breaking rules, like hacking into the flight code. (Bad idea to try, BTW)

It isgaming the system" in an unfair way, like killing a squaddy when youre chasing rank. You cant do anything about it except get mad, so for me I've decided to just let it go. They're the ones missing out on improving, after all. And sometimes when I've thought it was "death avoidance" I've later realised that they didnt even know I was there, and they were dtching to get a goon or something.

If done deliberately, it is definitely unfair and wothy of 10 minutes scorn.


BTW, I consider some "gaming" to be legitimate...almost like a clever exploit of a game feature. For example, having a parachuted pilot hide in the maproom, or having him camp on the aircraft spawn point to get collision kills (HT closed that loophole, btw), or using the shore battery to hit GVs on the beach below.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Traveler
Can anyone including HiTech tell me if using a disconnect (turning off your modem or computer) to prevent the aircraft you are flying  from being recorded as killed; is that cheating?

No ... because you could never really prove that someone did pull their cord or their ISP burped.

It's not right ... just like bailing out when you know your gonna die so as to not give the other guy the satisfaction of killing you ... but I wouldn't consider it cheating.

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Simaril
Forst about the kill credit...I have had occasions where I dont get the message, but I notice that it showed up on stats pages. (IE, the guy in the Ki61 did it, and I know for certain that my Ki61 kill total went up even though I never got the message). Maybe thats what happened to you?


Second....well, technically its not cheating, because the game rules allow it to happen. True cheating requires breaking rules, like hacking into the flight code. (Bad idea to try, BTW)

 

I know that I didn't get the message, but I have no way to know if I actually did or did not get credit because I never look at the score or stats, I don't really care.  

But I didn't get a message and when reviewing the film, you can see that he flys almost all the way back to his base, but disconnect rather then atttempts to land .  

As for the "technically it's not cheating, because the game rules allow it" would you show me where in the rules it says that it's permitted to disconnect from the game to prevent a kill credit from being issues against you?

My question still stands to you, do you think it is cheating?  it's a yes or no answer.

Also, it's not the first time this guy has disconnected after being put in a losing position in a dog-fight.  I have additional film of him.

[Simaril]

Look traveller, if you think its cheating -- fine, dont do it.
I don't think its cheating, and apparently neither does HT. (He bans people for cheating; he doesnt ban people for disconnecting.)


It is, however, clearly lame.


However....in your situation, I have to wonder if the guy did it deliberately. Why wait till you're almost home? If you're going to do it, just do it! I cant think of a reason to do it in that circimstance, but a true accidental connection disco could happen anytime.




and BTW

If you dont care about scores and kills, well, I guess i simply dont understand why you'd care enough to start the thread... or care enough to keep posting and pushing the issue.

Just sayin