Giuliani Takes First Steps Toward White House Run

[Debonair]

i liek to smear things on toast
AND CRACKERS!!!!!1 omg crackers OWN!!!

[ROC]

“I believe that our best teachers are underpaid and should be rewarded for the extra effort they bring to the classroom and the results they deliver for our students. Teachers should be compensated according to their ability to produce real results, not solely on the number of years they’ve been on the job. If we want to attract ambitious teachers, we need to treat teaching as a profession."

The Concept is right, but the reality is that the poorer neighborhoods do worse, not because of the teachers ability, but because of the lifestyle After School.  The teachers would Flee the poor school districts and head for the affluent neighborhoods where they were compensated better, simply by default, for better performance.

The Core Problem is that we all continue to look at education at the Child Level.  In order to really solve the real problem, then we need to consider those that are home on welfare taking care of the children being Educated out of that rut.  What is spent on social welfare could be greatly reduced if there is investment in educating the parents in those homes.  Imagine how a child must feel going home and seeing their future in their parents lives.  How could this inspire?  It's the only way to break the cycle, you can't rely on the school district, you Have to bring the family up as a whole or it will fail.  

I believe each child in America has the right to have a mother and a father.

That's not a right, it's a FACT.  I don't care if people of the same sex hook up.   It makes no difference to me one way or another.   But when you start to redefine the natural order of our very existence then there are problems.  Men and Women have sex and make babies.  I know, seems pretty basic but for some reason there are people who refuse to acknowledge that.  Doesn't matter how you Wish the world was, the fact is, reality will always intrude on the fad of the year.

[ROC]

Oh, and since I'm bored and rambling, I'll add this

Rudie was very popular after 9/11.  So was Bush.

Iraq war will have to be over by the time Clinton runs.  It will have to be so far behind us that people will have forgotten, and yes they will, that it happened.  That could be one of the most important reasons the Democrats were so desperate to make the war out as going bad.  Get it behind us, move on, and knowing it was pretty much all Rudie had, he'd have nothing to run on.  

It won't matter IF the war is over, but you can bet it won't be on the front page 6 months from now.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by BlueJ1
Im proud to say that 08 will be my first presidential election I will beable to vote in. Im also happy to see that theres a good chance I wont be voting for the lesser of two evils.

You mean to tell us you wont be voting at all then?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by bj229r
He's a Republican, but by no means a conservative,  

Exactly why he is about the only chance the republicans have in the next presidential run.

After ultra right wing Bush this country will not be voting right wing again

Saving grace is for all their talk about Iraq. Nobody in the Democratic party seems to have a realistic plan as to what to do. And they seem to all be at odds as to what to do.

Combine that with the fact that while they have a majority. they dont have an overwhelming majority. Which is going to make it that much more difficult to realy accomplish anything within any kind of speedy timeframe

I doubt in 2 years the Iraq situation is going to be vastly different then it is today.

A Fact Im sure wont be lost on the voters.

Problem is Bush.
Too right wing for the base of the country with is largly moderate.
And left a bad bad taste in the mouths of many.

The only hope the republicans have of winning is to put up somone like Rudy.
Who is as you said Republican But not a conservative.

Personal view is The time is now ripe for a 3rd party candidate if one can raise the money needed to make himself noticed (Lets face it. it all boils down to money)

the country. Given its druthers I think would rather not see Hillary elected.
And thats pretty much who the front runner looks like its gonna be

Yet it doesnt want to stomach another 4-8 years of conservative ism either.

And most people are sick of the cross party bickering
People are growing weary of both parties. As would be indicated by the rise in voters registering as independants.

If a 3rd party candidate as I said. can raise the money needed to make himself noticed.
And puts forth a moderate message.
I think that person would stand a real chance.

Barring that.
Anyone other ten Rudy running.
I see our first Female President in our future

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Thrawn





Nuke.

"The thing about Barack is that he is very well spoken and likeable. I like him and think he speaks very well. Other than likeable and well spoken, he has nothing. No experience at anything and no real record to ponder."


No record to ponder, so like the exact opposite of Kerry right?  The lack of record could be a plus, nothing to smear him on.

See now I like Barrack also.
Again . A moderate.
At this moment in time barring an independant I like running  I've vote for him over Rudy or any other Rep Candidate.

Cant say he doesnt have a record

Its in the


US Congress Votes Database

And Nuke. Maybe he doesnt have alot of experiance.
But.
You think he could do worse then the ones with experiance have done in the last 40 years? LOL

Maybe someone without alot of experiance is exactly what we need.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Bush may be a lot of things, but far right wing he ain't. It's the part of the conservative base that DIDN'T back the Republican party this time like they have been that cost them big, and Bush is the reason.

[Sandman]

From what I gather from the talking heads on television, it wasn't the base that abandoned the GOP. It was the independents.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Sandman
From what I gather from the talking heads on television, it wasn't the base that abandoned the GOP. It was the independents.

Well, the truth is probably somewhere in between. I'd say it was probably some of both. And for different reasons. I tend to ignore talking heads on television, as well as a lot of talk radio. I read a lot, mostly moderate and moderate conservative stuff, although I do read some of the liberal stuff as well. And for the most part ignore the nut jobs at either end of the spectrum except for the entertainment value.

And I still think that TRUE independents and Libertarians are just not going to make it. Reform is going to have to start at the bottom and even then in the primaries. The only hope for that is education, both in a general sense, and in a politically savvy sense.

[Red Tail 444]

Rudy will get moidalized by the opposition with the whole Donna Hanover nonsense. People forgot how ugly things got for him leading up to 9-11.

Look for Tim Pawlenty to get the Nod in '08.


Don't recognize the name? Probably not...which is exactly why the GOP will start spoon feeding him in prep for the white house run.

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You mean to tell us you wont be voting at all then?

[lazs2]

rudie is an enemy of the second amendment.   As bad as most democrats.

lazs

[cav58d]

See Rule #4

[Charon]

rudie is an enemy of the second amendment. As bad as most democrats.

lazs.

And I bet he's a bit light on respect for the 4th. He won't get my vote.

Charon

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
From what I gather from the talking heads on television, it wasn't the base that abandoned the GOP. It was the independents.

There may be some truth to that but I think a better description would be swing voters.  Truth be told the "base" is pretty pissed at the latest congress as well.

-Spending
-lack of immigration reform
-lack of increased border security
-guest worker amnesty

I know alot of conservative bloggers where up in arms today over the nomination of Trent Lott as the minority whip.