Author Topic: Pyro, 20mm ammo load of the 109G-6/14. (Read 2540 times)

Wmaker · « **on:** November 16, 2006, 11:00:48 AM »

Hiya Pyro!

Congrats for the new version!

I was hoping we could get the RV-8 as an offline ride at some point, saw the first RV-8 built in Finland a few months ago. Damn pretty plane...someday, someday...

Anyways,

Since you are releasing a new version and there might couple of patches on the way I thought I'd brought up the 20mm ammo load again.

Lazy as I am I'll quote myself from an earlier thread.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164304

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Originally posted by Wmaker
I have a feeling that the reason pyro added 200 option for the G-2/F-4 but not for the G-6 comes from this thread.

Grunherz asked if the document I posted was for the G-2. As it could be seen from the date it was for the G-2 but basically all the documentation that finns ever got about the 109Gs when they came to Finland was for G-2 only. As so little was different between regular G-6s and G-2s that came to Finland that any additional documentation wasn't really needed (they got the manuals for MG 131s, of course).

So I don't have any "G-6 specific" documentation to prove it but the 20mm ammo box located in the left wing of the G-6 was exactly the same size as it was in G-2. So yes, G-6 should also have 200 20mm rounds as does the G-2. G-14 should aswell. The ammo box had the same size in all of these

I also noticed that the wing cannons carry only 125rpg. The G-6 ladeplan below states 140rpg.

Source for the G-14 ammo load:
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/airframes/413601/413601_report.htm

Source for the G-6 ammo load:

Krusty · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2006, 12:56:28 AM »

Also please note that gondolas carried 140 rounds (on that sheet of paper it's right below the internal gun), not the 125 each. Sure, 30 rounds extra isn't much, but it can mean the difference of another kill or having to turn and run in the middle of a fight.

EDIT: 30 extra rounds plus 50 more for the nose gun is 80 extra rounds. Quite a significant change in ammo loading. Please think about it!

Wmaker · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2006, 02:56:55 AM »

Krusty, did you read my original post?

1K3 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2006, 09:24:31 AM »

I just recently heard of perk ordinance.

More rounds should be added, but it should fall in the "perk ordiance" category

Wmaker · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2006, 11:00:51 AM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
I just recently heard of perk ordinance.

More rounds should be added, but it should fall in the "perk ordiance" category

Unless other overload ammo-options which are allready in AH get perked aswell, I don't see any reason for it.

And it really wasn't even an "overload" option. 200 round was the normal ammo box' max capacity.

Krusty · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2006, 11:52:27 AM »

wmaker, I'd read the original post (and remembered it) but didn't see your line unde the quoted post about the gondolas. Sorry for being redundant.

Sorry for being redundant.

Sorry for being redundant.

Krusty · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2006, 11:57:22 AM »

IK3, just because there's more than one ammo option doesn't mean that the others need to be perked. For example, the Mossie has an "overload" option that loads more ammo, but this was common. The P38 has an option with 500rpg for the 30cals, but this was normal. The P47s have an 8-gun option that would take you a year to count every round in the belts, but this was the norm. The lighter loads were done by the pilots, for various reasons.

So just saying "perk the higher ammo count" isn't right. The higher ammo count is more often the more common one.

Somebody mentioned in the main forum "perking the 190a8 with 30mms" -- only a LOT of the A8s had 30mms, they were common place, as they were shooting bombers down.

I hope HTC perks weapons setups judiciously, and not willy-nilly. C-hog cannons, definitely yes. 109 extra ammo, definitely no. 190 30mms, definitely no, LA7 3-gun option, small perk (I hope).

Most planes in AH don't have perkable arming options.

Bronk · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2006, 03:02:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
IK3, just because there's more than one ammo option doesn't mean that the others need to be perked. For example, the Mossie has an "overload" option that loads more ammo, but this was common. The P38 has an option with 500rpg for the 30cals, but this was normal. The P47s have an 8-gun option that would take you a year to count every round in the belts, but this was the norm. The lighter loads were done by the pilots, for various reasons.

So just saying "perk the higher ammo count" isn't right. The higher ammo count is more often the more common one.

Somebody mentioned in the main forum "perking the 190a8 with 30mms" -- only a LOT of the A8s had 30mms, they were common place, as they were shooting bombers down.

I hope HTC perks weapons setups judiciously, and not willy-nilly. C-hog cannons, definitely yes. 109 extra ammo, definitely no. 190 30mms, definitely no, LA7 3-gun option, small perk (I hope).

Most planes in AH don't have perkable arming options.

Nice axis bias there krusty.

Bronk

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2006, 04:17:54 PM »

The post was about a 109, somebody made a comment about a 190... Not my fault, I'm just replying the the subject at hand.

I posted some of my other thoughts in the main forum, but everybody's acting like foolks posting smiley faces saying "Still biting at the bait!" -- they can't handle serious conversation, it seems.

straffo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2006, 04:45:50 PM »

give me the Yak 9 UT

Perked of course

Krusty · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2006, 04:58:03 PM »

Now THAT I'd pay perkies for!!!

EDIT: Sorry for the hijack, back on topic:

Need 200 rpg option for G-6 and G-14! Need 140 rpg in gondolas!

KgB · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2006, 06:14:38 PM »

Why don't we add
a rocket booster on 190's for a small perk as well,after all
few were seen in ww2

Charge · « **Reply #12 on:** November 18, 2006, 11:30:42 AM »

"perking the 190a8 with 30mms"

When was the last time you flew 190A8 with 30mms Bronk? Was it a devastating killer well deserving to be perked?

-C+

Bronk · « **Reply #13 on:** November 18, 2006, 11:48:33 AM »

I was just pointing out the bias.
Notice he doesn't even mention perking any axis AC.

I don't think the A8 with the 30mm should.

But god forbid one of the fastest , best accelerating, and best climbing (at any altitude mind you) even be discussed being perked.

I'll leave you to think what AC I am talking about.

Bronk

Edit: on topic

Yes i agree 200 rpg option for G-6 and G-14. Need 140 rpg in gondolas.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2006, 05:08:40 PM »

I'd love to see this cahneg made. Cant ask for much better evidence than an orginal loadout documnet.